[JBroll]

Originally Posted by noodles

Oh, give me a fucking break. Do you know how much produce we destroy in this country? It's called farm subsidies. the US government promises a minimum price on a crop, which is higher than the open market. So, large factory farms sell to the government, who destroy the crop, and we import produce from other countries at inflated rates.

If we actually made the large factory farms compete in the open market, and didn't have enough food to go around, then maybe I could see the point to this argument. However, we have people going hungry while we waste food.

Exactly why I can't stand people talking about the need to produce more biofuels.

Well, that, and the whole net-energy-loss thing.

Jeff

[Popsyche]

Originally Posted by JBroll

Exactly why I can't stand people talking about the need to produce more biofuels.

Well, that, and the whole net-energy-loss thing.

Jeff

A point that folks just seem to gloss over!

[Bound]

I like how the only viable fuel option which would actually make a difference to both our economy and our environment has been somewhat pushed aside for bio-fuels.

Why aren't we taking steps to change our whole infrastructure to hydrogen? I mean, we can build a multi-billion dollar war machine, so we've clearly the industrial capacity to retro-fit our entire country in probably 20 or so years. Why are we even talking about rendering corn and other bio-fuels which are wholly inefficient as far as the amount of energy output they are capable of generating.

Why the hell are we even talking about using corn for fuel? Sounds like some socially regressive conservatives are at the helm again... o shit...... they are.....

For some reason too, New Englanders, (more notably in Mass) are against oceanic windfarms. Why, you ask? Because it would ruin the views of the richy white bred fucks off the coast of the cape. Who cares? Have you listened to what any of the scientific experts have said? You're not going to have any beachfront property in 40 years. Hope you packed your snow shoes too, and have some strong legs.

Noodles, don't even get me started on farm subsidies, it's just another gleaming reason why this country, for some reason, can't unfuck itself....

If people remember, this country became the industrial power and economic titan after WWII because of our sense of country and unity. Now we sell our soul for the best bottom line, and look what it's doing to our economy. We're off playing imperialists again, think we learned a lesson from history? Nope. So that's not helping either. If we keep heading down this road, we're going to be a service based economy and as we continue to outsource the line between the haves and have nots is only going to get further and further away....But maybe that's what the righteous upper echelons want... cuz who cares about the future or people or anything else... the fucking bottom line is what counts!

/rant.

[JBroll]

Oh, balls...

The methods of producing hydrogen aren't all that great, either. Right now they, too, have a net energy loss. Nobody seems to make mention of FUCKING BATTERIES, although we trust them with a gigantic proportion of our everyday power needs and they'll routinely get 90-95% efficiency carrying energy harvested FROM ANY SOURCE.

I don't think we became an industrial power and economic titan out of a sense of country and unity... but that's another discussion.

Jeff

[Bound]

Originally Posted by JBroll

Oh, balls...

The methods of producing hydrogen aren't all that great, either. Right now they, too, have a net energy loss. Nobody seems to make mention of FUCKING BATTERIES, although we trust them with a gigantic proportion of our everyday power needs and they'll routinely get 90-95% efficiency carrying energy harvested FROM ANY SOURCE.

I don't think we became an industrial power and economic titan out of a sense of country and unity... but that's another discussion.

Jeff

well a hydrogen refinery fueled by hyrdonic and wind-farm power wouldn't be all that bad, now would it....

and yeah, batteries wouldn't be bad, but the power output is kind of shitty right now. What would America be without the ground freight infrastructure.

okay, okay... we became an industrial titan killing nazi's and playing imperialists. I don't want to be a total doom profit. But the spirits back then were high man, they were high!

[JBroll]

I'm not certain it would be as cost-effective as (*gasp*, he's going to use the n-word! Run!) nuclear power, or as easy to get done quickly. That would solve the problem of power output.

Spirits were pretty high after 9/11... doesn't say much, sadly.

Jeff

[guitarplayerone]

If the people who inhabited this world were not total morons, then we could just use nuclear power. It's worked ln subs for the past 50 years. Just wear an aluminum cup while you drive just in case...

It bothers me, if we can use almost limitless nuclear power with the only problem of waste, why dont we just launch that shit into the sun.
Sounds rediculous, but whatever we launch into there is going to be torn apart into hydrogen and helium anyway, since heavier elements will decay on it's surface. If we figure out launch costs vs waste amount, it could possibly be done.
edit: lol I just realized that the total amount of waste would steadily increase the sun's size, forcing it to expand prematurely. but isn't that how we take care of all of our problems? force someone who isnt alive yet to deal with it?

The problem is that nobody would be responsible enough to use it without spilling tons of waste into our planet 'just because', and nobody is progressive enough to let go of 'nuclear disarmament' and just take advantage of the technology.

[JBroll]

Nuclear Chemistry - Recycling Spent Reactor Fuel

Jeff