[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Paragragh two sums up my One Nation under God point. Yes it was not founded on A Religion but they all believe in a GOD.

Lots of people believe in god, whats your point? God's not the problem. its a legion of fundamentalist psychotics who want to impose their will on everyone that's the issue.

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Ah the 60's and 70's the liberal is born and so the country begins to go down hill and the Everybody do whatever you want mentality is spreading.

Yeah, "Do what you want". thats called freedom. The thing the nation is supposed to promote.

You'd better go to bed now, so you can get up and listen to Glen Beck and rush limbaugh in the morning.

[garcia3441]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Regardless, the division of church and state was always emphasized by the founding fathers. "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," states the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli. This document was ratified by Congress without much debate or contention and stands today as a reminder of the founding fathers' intentions.[10]

From your own post.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by garcia3441

From your own post.

I love how you can deconstruct arguments by posting one link or one sentence

[Jongpil Yun]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of traditional Deists, including Jefferson, Paine and Ethan Allen.

Yeah, I don't see any contradiction here. Both me and noodles said many of them were deists.

Paragragh two sums up my One Nation under God point. Yes it was not founded on A Religion but they all believe in a GOD.

Apparently you don't understand what "deism" implies. Deism is damn close to pantheism, which is damn close to atheism. Deism was the kind of vague, hand-wavey belief that said that miracles, genesis, and it's ilk was all BS, God had simply created the universe and left it, and it is by rational thought that we uncover god's creation. They believed in an afterlife and stuff, but did not think god ever took a hand in anything before you died.

If you've ever read the Jefferson Bible (I doubt it), it's basically what the New Testament would be if it were supposed to be a self-help book or book on morality as opposed to a divine scripture. In short, it took out everything that made Christianity Christianity. There is no resurrection, no miracles, no immaculate conception, nothing. It's the story of a man, and his teachings.

What you quote also references the Treaty of Tripoli, which once again, if you read, says that there should never be disunity over differing religious opinions. There are tons of atheistic and polytheistic religions. Duh. Also,

Originally Posted by WP

Official records show that after President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, including the famous words in Article 11, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification, and the treaty was ratified by a unanimous vote of all 23 Senators. The treaty was reprinted in full in three newspapers, two in Philadelphia and one in New York City. There is no record of any public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.[3]

It was read aloud, ratified by every member of the senate, and published in the newspapers. Gee.

And I should add that it's the post Cold War era in which the US became THE dominant superpower. Damn those liberals for fucking everything up.

[garcia3441]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I love how you can deconstruct arguments by posting one link or one sentence

Virtual high 5.

[Zepp88]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Lots of people believe in god, whats your point? God's not the problem. its a legion of fundamentalist psychotics who want to impose their will on everyone that's the issue.



Yeah, "Do what you want". thats called freedom. The thing the nation is supposed to promote.

You'd better go to bed now, so you can get up and listen to Glen Beck and rush limbaugh in the morning.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Shaky ground dude the founders of this country were religous and believed in God strongly. As for the Pledge of allegiance being disgusting get out bro, your a disgrace for saying that, this is what I am trying to get at the fact that people do not believe in this country anymore with all these liberal retarded ideas. As for the wiretapping, you have something to hide bro your planning something. I would rather have wiretapping than go to work one day and have a fuckin plane blow it up, ok bro.

I know people are entitled to their opinion but FUCK!

Throw this fish back! bro

please forgive me if im out of line

[Zepp88]

Originally Posted by Aaron

I know people are entitled to their opinion but FUCK!

Throw this fish back! bro

I would second this. Those statements are downright attacks, not healthy debate

[oompa]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Lots of people believe in god, whats your point? God's not the problem. its a legion of fundamentalist psychotics who want to impose their will on everyone that's the issue.

i love the quote: "I've Got Nothing Against God, It's His Fanclub I Can't Stand"

[garcia3441]

Originally Posted by oompa

i love the quote: "I've Got Nothing Against God, It's His Fanclub I Can't Stand"

+rep for that.