The world is Ruined

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Paragragh two sums up my One Nation under God point. Yes it was not founded on A Religion but they all believe in a GOD.

Lots of people believe in god, whats your point? God's not the problem. its a legion of fundamentalist psychotics who want to impose their will on everyone that's the issue.

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Ah the 60's and 70's the liberal is born and so the country begins to go down hill and the Everybody do whatever you want mentality is spreading.

Yeah, "Do what you want". thats called freedom. The thing the nation is supposed to promote.

You'd better go to bed now, so you can get up and listen to Glen Beck and rush limbaugh in the morning.

[garcia3441]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Regardless, the division of church and state was always emphasized by the founding fathers. "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion," states the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli. This document was ratified by Congress without much debate or contention and stands today as a reminder of the founding fathers' intentions.[10]

From your own post.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by garcia3441

From your own post.

I love how you can deconstruct arguments by posting one link or one sentence

[Jongpil Yun]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of traditional Deists, including Jefferson, Paine and Ethan Allen.

Yeah, I don't see any contradiction here. Both me and noodles said many of them were deists.

Paragragh two sums up my One Nation under God point. Yes it was not founded on A Religion but they all believe in a GOD.

Apparently you don't understand what "deism" implies. Deism is damn close to pantheism, which is damn close to atheism. Deism was the kind of vague, hand-wavey belief that said that miracles, genesis, and it's ilk was all BS, God had simply created the universe and left it, and it is by rational thought that we uncover god's creation. They believed in an afterlife and stuff, but did not think god ever took a hand in anything before you died.

If you've ever read the Jefferson Bible (I doubt it), it's basically what the New Testament would be if it were supposed to be a self-help book or book on morality as opposed to a divine scripture. In short, it took out everything that made Christianity Christianity. There is no resurrection, no miracles, no immaculate conception, nothing. It's the story of a man, and his teachings.

What you quote also references the Treaty of Tripoli, which once again, if you read, says that there should never be disunity over differing religious opinions. There are tons of atheistic and polytheistic religions. Duh. Also,

Originally Posted by WP

Official records show that after President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, including the famous words in Article 11, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification, and the treaty was ratified by a unanimous vote of all 23 Senators. The treaty was reprinted in full in three newspapers, two in Philadelphia and one in New York City. There is no record of any public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.[3]

It was read aloud, ratified by every member of the senate, and published in the newspapers. Gee.

And I should add that it's the post Cold War era in which the US became THE dominant superpower. Damn those liberals for ....ing everything up.

[garcia3441]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I love how you can deconstruct arguments by posting one link or one sentence

Virtual high 5.

[Zepp88]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Lots of people believe in god, whats your point? God's not the problem. its a legion of fundamentalist psychotics who want to impose their will on everyone that's the issue.



Yeah, "Do what you want". thats called freedom. The thing the nation is supposed to promote.

You'd better go to bed now, so you can get up and listen to Glen Beck and rush limbaugh in the morning.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Shaky ground dude the founders of this country were religous and believed in God strongly. As for the Pledge of allegiance being disgusting get out bro, your a disgrace for saying that, this is what I am trying to get at the fact that people do not believe in this country anymore with all these liberal retarded ideas. As for the wiretapping, you have something to hide bro your planning something. I would rather have wiretapping than go to work one day and have a ....in plane blow it up, ok bro.

I know people are entitled to their opinion but ....!

Throw this fish back! bro

please forgive me if im out of line

[Zepp88]

Originally Posted by Aaron

I know people are entitled to their opinion but ....!

Throw this fish back! bro

I would second this. Those statements are downright attacks, not healthy debate

[oompa]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Lots of people believe in god, whats your point? God's not the problem. its a legion of fundamentalist psychotics who want to impose their will on everyone that's the issue.

i love the quote: "I've Got Nothing Against God, It's His Fanclub I Can't Stand"

[garcia3441]

Originally Posted by oompa

i love the quote: "I've Got Nothing Against God, It's His Fanclub I Can't Stand"

+rep for that.

[smueske]

Br00tal, are you sure you're not Rush Limbaugh posting under an assumed name?

[oompa]

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

Ah the 60's and 70's the liberal is born and so the country begins to go down hill and the Everybody do whatever you want mentality is spreading.

i assume you are aware that there was a 60's and a 70's all over the world, right?

killing 3000 americans on 9/11 was wrong. by warring afghanistan, some 20.000 people has died, half of them prolly didnt think further than their plowing field the morning of their death. wrong? yep.

warring iraq is plain power abuse to the level of absurdness. screwing the WoMD inspection, ignoring the UN, breaking international laws and just start bombing was a big -.... you- to the rest of the world. while bush tried to convince us that this was about links to terrorism, human rights, WoMD etc, the rest of the world thought "lol you are there to finish what your dad started, and you figure you'd get some oil to go with that, you fool no one." and about twice as many people are killed. imagine supporting the UN with troops instead, the UNITED nations are more united instead of effectively undermined. you think iraqis would have killed 3000 troops if they'd have the UN flag on their shoulder? its theorycrafting, but i think not.

the aftermath caused bush to be the most hated president in history, and the reason a majority of the world thinks that the US is the biggest threat to world peace. i mean, he only has a few more muslim countries to go now, and he'd be right up there with hitler. also, with the US supporting iraq and afghanistan only 10-20 years ago makes any country a possible target for a backstab. norway has oil and a socialist (read: commie) rule. its also nowhere near the population of the US, or its military capacity, and in military alliance with the US, wich makes norway fit all the requirements to get invaded.

bush has made many totally retarded speeches, and we're talking affecting the rest of the world. saying "you are either with us or against us" made me shake from anger. basically thats a murderer putting a gun to your head telling you to kill some guy who lives next to you. how would that make you feel? to me, bush is, with about 98% of my head's votes, the biggest murderer to walk the earth during my 25 years, and he deserves a trial in Haag, and a cell next to cheney, rumsfeld and the rest of his partners in crime, in some max.sec. prison somewhere in europe.

sry for the rant, its not directed at anyone but bush

[Shaman]

I wonder where TotallyBr00tal went

Yes, I am from Europe and the majority of us do think that Bush is really a retard, and that the current goverment in the US has made a mockery of international laws, ignoring the UN and even making UN officials look bad.

It is really scary from our point of view, if the US goverment ignores the UN, then who will stop them? The Bush administration has proved that they listen to no one, and they answer to no one but themselves. That is scary, since who knows who they will consider to be the next part of the legendary "axis of evil".

Iraq is was not a huge terrorist breeding ground, and the Iraq war has nothing to do with terrorism. Fake evidence of terrorist activities were given to the congress to justify the attack. It just proves, that Bush and CO will do anything for their "cause". It seems that even the election is for theirs to manipulate...

[Seedawakener]

The more I read the angrier I get... This thread gets even more interesting for evert post that is posted... This is just... I can't believe there are people that just can't get out of their little shells and accept fact for what it is...

Lets sum this up for now.
SS.org 666 - TotallybrOOtal 0...

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by Shaman

I wonder where TotallyBr00tal went

Sevenstring.org:
Scaring off Neo-cons since 2004.

[El Caco]

I feel left out

It seems like he attacked everyone in this thread but me.

[Jongpil Yun]

Originally Posted by Aaron

I know people are entitled to their opinion but ....!

Fascist pig!

[garcia3441]

I miss him.

[Zepp88]

The last time I saw somebody so blindly patriotic was in the 1930s-40s somewhere in Europe....beside France...

[ohio_eric]

Aww damn it. I go away for a day and our little buddy TotallyBr00tal practically admits defeat. Shucks.

I've seen his ilk before he's either gone for good or he's off looking right-wing extremist web site looking for "facts" to come back with. Either way he'll manage to accomplsih the same on here, nothing.

[TotallyBr00tal]

Originally Posted by smueske

Br00tal, are you sure you're not Rush Limbaugh posting under an assumed name?

Haha nah bro, I just love hearing all these lame excuses, these are the excuses I hear all the time. Like I said before I love this country and its not blind patriotism, yeah the country is not perfect, it never was and never will be, no country is perfect but I still show support for it, I don't go around complaining and bashing our leader and saying oh man this country sucks, thats what the terrorists want they love turning on their news and seeing people bashing our government. You guys listen to all the liberal run media who want us to lose. You guys obviously didn't vote in the last reelection.
As for Iraq not having ties to terrorism show me some proof, all those countries are tied to it over there. The whole point of us being in Iraq is to help these people have a better life and rebuild their country. We are fighting these extremists on their own soil which is a good thing, our military is crushing them over there and they are running out of places to hide and organize, as soon as we pull out they will be able to organize in large numbers and thats not good. If you guys actually listen to the news Iraqi refugees are returning to their homes because it is safer there now, our military is just waiting for the Iraqi government to make some decisions, now remember they have never made any decisions before or were able to vote so this is something entirely new to them, they had one man making all the decisions and if you disagreed you died. Hopefully if the Iraqi government can start getting it together we will have a strong ally over there which is what we need, then maybe the rest of the middle east will catch on and see that having individual rights such as voting, education and trading with the rest of the world is not so bad. Of course this will take time because their culture is entirely different but look at what happened to japan, they were a country with an entirely different culture in which we influenced and helped become better and begin conforming to the rest of the world. They didn't completely lose their cultural traditions but they realised that if you want to make it in the world you have to conform somewhat to the majority of the world to become better. By the way the U.S. has the strongest economy in the world, so I guess our economy isn't ruined. Yeah some things are messed up but we are still number one.

[The Dark Wolf]

The only thing totallybr00tal about your posts is your complete disregard for any sort of grammatical or literary structure.

I recommend you turn off Sean Hannity for 2 hours, and go read this -





Pssst! Paragraphs are your friend. Pass it around.

[The Dark Wolf]

P.....ing.S.

"Bashing our leader." You can ....ing have him, BTW. He might be the President, but he sure as hell isn't my "leader."

[Zepp88]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

P.....ing.S.

"Bashing our leader." You can ....ing have him, BTW. He might be the President, but he sure as hell isn't my "leader."

What!? That's ....ing unamurican!! How dare you? Liberal! He's the President of the proud US of A god damnit and you'll follow him off a cliff if he tells you to you liberal hippie! ....!

[The Dark Wolf]

Shit. I'm proud to be liberal. that's only a dirty word to Limaughmaniacs.


I'm conservative in many ways, too. Much more than these current neo-cons. I actually believe in limiting gov't into our personal affairs. Wow! What a liberal concept!