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JBroll · 12-03-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigM555

I just find it utterly hilarious that about the only guy on this forum that could have helped out BrUtAl was JBroll and his post creamed him.

Tell us how you really feel JBroll.

Pretty sad when even the side your trying to argue for don't want you.

I think it's important to note that I am not a neocon and neocons are not the 'intellectual' type of conservatives - they're the fundagelical revisionist loons who call themselves conservatives because then they can blame everything on liberals. I also hate both of the current parties because they're both increasing government size and power. What's more, I'm pretty sure I can hate Bush more than even most people on here for (in addition to making a mess out of anything he's touched) trying to associate neocon bullshit with the conservative Goldwater was - the conservative that was the last breath the Republican party could hold and that every Republican has since failed to be. Finally, I think that religion is an embarrassment and don't feel any need to be associated with it. There's really not much I have in common with this guy, and that's why I have a problem with people like him thinking they can call themselves conservatives. He's not. He's the modern-day equivalent of what people fought to the death against in the 1940s - an irrationally single-minded nationalist, impervious to reason and evidence because he already knows everything.

Jeff

BigM555 · 12-03-2007, 07:29 PM

No offense was intended if thats the way it came across. To the contrary actually.

For the most part I'm a Centrist (yeah, yeah, nasty word I know, deal with it) but I lean a little left. In my own little world I believe that allows me to see both sides with a rational mindset. I can appreciate that you have different views than myself. I respect your ability to articulate your arguments.

Intelligent debate from both sides is what can lead to deeper understanding and, who knows, perhaps even a sollution.

The OP had all the ability of a can of tuna when it came to arguing a point. As has already been pointed out, his original post asked for reasons and then when they were presented it became immediately obvious that he was unwilling to accept ANY of them. No debate, no discussion, no reasoning, just YOU'RE WRONG.

Seems the mentality of a prepubescent.

While I don't necessarily agree with all your views, they've always been presented poignantly and with intelligence (if not a little brazen

). I actually intended it as a compliment to you as much as a slight to him (see post #39).

My apologies if it seemed backhanded.

Oh, and all things said, I don't think you've ever come across as a neo-con.

JBroll · 12-03-2007, 09:07 PM

None taken, I just don't see how even I could defend this guy.

Jeff

Luan · 12-03-2007, 11:29 PM

He invaded Iraq with an excuse that have never been proved by anyone, and people from iraq and US died, but who cares, now bush have petrol.

Jongpil Yun · 12-04-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Luan

He invaded Iraq with an excuse that have never been proved by anyone, and people from iraq and US died, but who cares, now bush have petrol.

I'm still waiting for that petrol... I mean, gas is like 3.20/gal now. I thought somebody in the Bush administration said the Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war?

garcia3441 · 12-04-2007, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongpil Yun

I'm still waiting for that petrol... I mean, gas is like 3.20/gal now. I thought somebody in the Bush administration said the Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war?

Gas is only $2.93 a gallon here. I guess since this state went for Bush in the last election we get the discount first.

The Dark Wolf · 12-04-2007, 02:17 AM

Well said, Jeff. I'm a bit of an intellectual conservative myself, in some ways, and consider Goldwater something of a personal hero.

This modern crew has nothing, and I mean nothing, in common with thoughtful, reasoned conservatism. Goldwater wasn't much of a fan of them, either.

JBroll · 12-04-2007, 02:19 AM

Yeah, he himself warned us about people like that.

Jeff

Nick · 12-04-2007, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongpil Yun

I'm still waiting for that petrol... I mean, gas is like 3.20/gal now. I thought somebody in the Bush administration said the Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war?

lol its like $2.20 a litre here!!

garcia3441 · 12-04-2007, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

lol its like $2.20 a litre here!!

And that's how much per gallon?

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BigM555 I SS.org Salute You! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,516 Real Name: Mike Main Seven: RWG RG777 Rig: GP100 -> MESA 20/20 Thanked: 23	No offense was intended if thats the way it came across. To the contrary actually. For the most part I'm a Centrist (yeah, yeah, nasty word I know, deal with it) but I lean a little left. In my own little world I believe that allows me to see both sides with a rational mindset. I can appreciate that you have different views than myself. I respect your ability to articulate your arguments. Intelligent debate from both sides is what can lead to deeper understanding and, who knows, perhaps even a sollution. The OP had all the ability of a can of tuna when it came to arguing a point. As has already been pointed out, his original post asked for reasons and then when they were presented it became immediately obvious that he was unwilling to accept ANY of them. No debate, no discussion, no reasoning, just YOU'RE WRONG. Seems the mentality of a prepubescent. While I don't necessarily agree with all your views, they've always been presented poignantly and with intelligence (if not a little brazen ). I actually intended it as a compliment to you as much as a slight to him (see post #39). My apologies if it seemed backhanded. Oh, and all things said, I don't think you've ever come across as a neo-con.

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JBroll A Wookie on Ayn Rand Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX, USA Posts: 2,112 Thanked: 15	None taken, I just don't see how even I could defend this guy. Jeff

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Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 447 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 14	He invaded Iraq with an excuse that have never been proved by anyone, and people from iraq and US died, but who cares, now bush have petrol.

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JBroll A Wookie on Ayn Rand Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX, USA Posts: 2,112 Thanked: 15	Yeah, he himself warned us about people like that. Jeff


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