[TomAwesome]

Not even if he kicks you with his energy legs?

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by TomAwesome

Not even if he kicks you with his energy legs?

Nah, i've got more lytes than my body has room for ;p

[7slinger]

bravo on a good read, very entertaining

Originally Posted by TotallyBr00tal

As for Iraq not having ties to terrorism show me some proof, all those countries are tied to it over there.

Apparently, "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply when America is just looking for some ass to kick? Is a belief without adequate proof all we need to sound the bugles and send the boys in?

Even after 9/11, when America was pissed off, unified, and ready to fuck shit up, our commander and chief should have looked at the available intel, and said "Invasion...wouldn't be prudent, not at this juncture."

[Mr. S]

have to say, this has been a damn good read this thread there has been some thorough thought, research, a shit load of intelligence and common sense put into some peoples arguments and an outstanding level of stubbornness on the part of other people (well one person ) that amounts nothing more than a child sticking their fingers in their ears screaming "lalalah im not listening" when faced with what is for all intensive purposes FACT!

my only regret about this thread is it dosent have more input from ohio_eric & noodles, their political tirades are dreamy

good thread everyone, the political section of this site is one of my fav parts

[ohio_eric]

Ah poor little TotallyBr00tal. He is but another of the many hardline right wing kool-aid drinkers you're likely to encounter here on the many tubes of interwebs.

So see kids I'm on another forum that is anti-Iraq War and for the most part highly liberal. We get trolls just like this guy from time to time. It always seems to work the same way. They make some big bold statement or challenge. Then when it is either proven incorrect or the challenge is answered. They use the same tactics.

They refuse to believe anything printed in a news source that isn't FOXNews or the Drudge Report or something very similar.

They love to throw World War Two out there since it is the last just war in which we fought. Feel free to notice how they never mention Korea or Vietnam.

They attack those who discredit them with facts and sound philosophy as brainwashed or sissies or that they hate their country.

They bring up that "USA #1" almost to the point of it being some meditative chant. As long as we got the biggest guns we can do as we damn well please apparently.

So our new little firend TotallyBr00tal has drunk deeply the elephant flavored kool-aid. I'm more or less done with him. garcia and yk have been kicking his ass pretty badly. So have fun with him kids.

[Makelele]

Come on people, how can you be against this man?

[JJ Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by Makelele

Come on people, how can you be against this man?

I think that's possibly one of the funniest videos I've ever seen

[Vegetta]

As a person of a more moderate political outlook than most of the people here I usually stay the hell away from the PCE boards... Actually I would sooner dry hump a hornets nest than post here and get all of your hippy rhetoric spewed at me ad naseum .

I'm a republican but I vote for who I believe will do the best job. I don't hate gays, I'm not a christian, I believe that America was built on immigration. I believe in a strong national defense, stem cell research, space exploration and evolution. I voted for Clinton 2 times. I also voted for Bush 2 times (your welcome) I'm sorry but Gore and Kerry both - well tbh I don't know if either of them could have done any better or worse than GW.

Congress approved the war - with a half assed budget. I would have thought after vietnam we might have learned a few things like get some support from other countries to help offset the costs (both fiscal and in lives)... No we had to John Wayne it and go it alone...

I think a lot of the economical problems were are having now are a result of some of the trade practices started by Clinton.... Nafta is going to bone us - look at how many plants are closing now and moving to Mexico... Not to mention His under the table dealings with China (Satellite tech for $$ its hard to tell what else went on...)

You people act like Bush is the only president to ever pander to special interest groups, practice cronyism and deceive the public...he's not. Both the dems and the republicans are as culpable in this. I think GW is just too stupid to cover his tracks.

Do I think Bush is a great president, no not really. Actually I would not call him a good president either but IMO he is not the worst president ever. That distinction belongs solely to Jimmy Carter. Yes you can argue that he had Ford/Nixon's mess to clean up and did manage to bring peace between Egypt and Israel but if any of you are old enough to actually remember how bad things were in the mid - late 70's - to have actually lived through that period of time I think you might understand where I am coming from: Gas Shortages, inflation, the worst winter in 200 years (Global warming my ass), Iran Hostages, Russia invades Afghanistan, UMW strike, the death of the US auto industry, Death of the US Steel Industry, AFSCME, Love Canal, Three mile Island..Yeah the 70's sucked ass.

This war should have never happened - Hussain should have been removed after the Gulf War - instead we let him skip home and gas a few thousand Kurds to death... But there are other countries that are as bad off or worse than Iraq - hell there is a whole bunch of them in Africa.

What country deserves help? What country doesnt? What is right or what is right for us? I don't know... I'm just a guy out to get by from day to day not solve the worlds problems. Do I think the US is perfect? - hell no! I do think it is the best place to be and it offers it's people more than any other country (even more than those countries that have free health care).

I'm not a blindly patriotic. I'm not blindly liberal (tho imo it seems some of you are close to being in this camp at times). I have friends who are are on both extremes. Its like my Poly Sci professor used to say: "If you go far enough to one side you end up being on the other without realizing it."

I've probably just made Ken, Bob, Dave and Eric's heads explode

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by Vegetta

As a person of a more moderate political outlook than most of the people here I usually stay the hell away from the PCE boards... Actually I would sooner dry hump a hornets nest than post here and get all of your hippy rhetoric spewed at me ad naseum .

I'm a republican but I vote for who I believe will do the best job. I don't hate gays, I'm not a christian, I believe that America was built on immigration. I believe in a strong national defense, stem cell research, space exploration and evolution. I voted for Clinton 2 times. I also voted for Bush 2 times (your welcome) I'm sorry but Gore and Kerry both - well tbh I don't know if either of them could have done any better or worse than GW.

Congress approved the war - with a half assed budget. I would have thought after vietnam we might have learned a few things like get some support from other countries to help offset the costs (both fiscal and in lives)... No we had to John Wayne it and go it alone...

I think a lot of the economical problems were are having now are a result of some of the trade practices started by Clinton.... Nafta is going to bone us - look at how many plants are closing now and moving to Mexico... Not to mention His under the table dealings with China (Satellite tech for $$ its hard to tell what else went on...)

You people act like Bush is the only president to ever pander to special interest groups, practice cronyism and deceive the public...he's not. Both the dems and the republicans are as culpable in this. I think GW is just too stupid to cover his tracks.

Do I think Bush is a great president, no not really. Actually I would not call him a good president either but IMO he is not the worst president ever. That distinction belongs solely to Jimmy Carter. Yes you can argue that he had Ford/Nixon's mess to clean up and did manage to bring peace between Egypt and Israel but if any of you are old enough to actually remember how bad things were in the mid - late 70's - to have actually lived through that period of time I think you might understand where I am coming from: Gas Shortages, inflation, the worst winter in 200 years (Global warming my ass), Iran Hostages, Russia invades Afghanistan, UMW strike, the death of the US auto industry, Death of the US Steel Industry, AFSCME, Love Canal, Three mile Island..Yeah the 70's sucked ass.

This war should have never happened - Hussain should have been removed after the Gulf War - instead we let him skip home and gas a few thousand Kurds to death... But there are other countries that are as bad off or worse than Iraq - hell there is a whole bunch of them in Africa.

What country deserves help? What country doesnt? What is right or what is right for us? I don't know... I'm just a guy out to get by from day to day not solve the worlds problems. Do I think the US is perfect? - hell no! I do think it is the best place to be and it offers it's people more than any other country (even more than those countries that have free health care).

I'm not a blindly patriotic. I'm not blindly liberal (tho imo it seems some of you are close to being in this camp at times). I have friends who are are on both extremes. Its like my Poly Sci professor used to say: "If you go far enough to one side you end up being on the other without realizing it."

I've probably just made Ken, Bob, Dave and Eric's heads explode

Which Ken?

I agree with most of the shit in there, except saying bush isn't the worst president and calling me a hippy. Hippies should all be incinerated.

[Vegetta]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Which Ken?

I agree with most of the shit in there, except saying bush isn't the worst president and calling me a hippy. Hippies should all be incinerated.

heheh you (I was being a bit of a goof on that last line) I tend to label liberals as hippies - I guess i shouldnt