[Shaman]

Muslims are really turning out to be a serious pain in the ass for European countries, since there are millions of muslim immigrants in European countries.

Even here in Finland, they do nothing to try and adapt to the culture, but they just try and force their culture to the countries they invade... whoops I mean immigrate to.

And the majority of European countries are afraid to do anything, because it is very easy to get labeled as a racist.

It makes me sick, that it seems that a lot of them have no respect for law or the moral values that are embraced in the country that they live in. And no one can say anything about it since it is their culture, and different cultures are valuable.

Bullshit I say, a monkey culture like that has no place on the 21st century.

Whoops, I think I got carried away And no, I am not a racist or a rightwing supporter, I am just pissed off about the situtation here in Europe.

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by oompa

thats an important point (it always is when talking about religion). what is considered offensive is always made up by social laws and there is no point in comparing them to others (ours) but penalties on the other hand is, and i wished everyone would advance past punishing people physically (incl. death penalty). i'd have no problem with a law in muslim countries that you can't offend/missuse muhammed's name or draw his picture etc - if the penalty would be a fine the size of a parking ticket.

this case here is a cultural miss-understanding, i bet the teacher had a teddybear and decided to go ahead and call it a common name for the sake of simplicity, it just happened to be a crime. you could expect the judges to just go "well.. stupid european, give her a fine and lets move on" but i guess that they, sadly, couldn't see past the fact that she wasn't aware of the rule and didnt really mean to offend anyone.

the difference in naming a child muhammed and a teddybear is that naming your child muhammed is honoring him (so it says in the quoran), naming a teddybear muhammed is to "insult" (i cant remember the english word.. something close to "downvalue") him.

The thing is, it wasn't her who named the bear, it was the children in her class who decided upon it (something they've all come forward and said).

[Nick]

indeed she actually wanted to call the bear 'ferris' i believe.

the kids in the class all said that they wanted to call it muhammad

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by Shaman

Muslims are really turning out to be a serious pain in the ass for European countries, since there are millions of muslim immigrants in European countries.

Even here in Finland, they do nothing to try and adapt to the culture, but they just try and force their culture to the countries they invade... whoops I mean immigrate to.

And the majority of European countries are afraid to do anything, because it is very easy to get labeled as a racist.

It makes me sick, that it seems that a lot of them have no respect for law or the moral values that are embraced in the country that they live in. And no one can say anything about it since it is their culture, and different cultures are valuable.

Bullshit I say, a monkey culture like that has no place on the 21st century.

Whoops, I think I got carried away And no, I am not a racist or a rightwing supporter, I am just pissed off about the situtation here in Europe.

It's a problem in the UK as well, but I think people are losing patience with it and aren't willing to allow certain sections of the Muslim community to simultaneously insult the country they've moved to at ever opportunity, and then moan about how oppressed they are and refusing to acknowledge the problems with extremism in their community.
I firmly believe respect has to work two ways if it's to mean anything. What we've had for way too long is one set of standards for one part of the populace, and a totally different set for another.

Actually, one good thing that came out of this is that Muslim leaders in the UK seem to have unequivically condemned what's happenned rather than using it as an excuse to whine about how westerners don't understand/respect Islamic culture...

[oompa]

Originally Posted by Nick

indeed she actually wanted to call the bear 'ferris' i believe.

the kids in the class all said that they wanted to call it muhammad

oh sry, different sources (read it on swedish news yesterday)

[Nick]

its actually the second generation muslims in the uk that cause the problems. The older generation that came to the uk are hard workers who were glad to be here who i have serious respect for because those guys are the ones you see working 18hrs a day etc. Unfortunatley the fruits of their labour have turned their kids (my age group) into spoiled idiots who expect something for nothing and are the ones who generally like to play the 'im being opressed' card here in the uk.

im not racist im just telling it like i see it.

[Metal Ken]

You know, its funny.. the muslims organizations on campus are doing a thing about stereotypes... and they wonder why islam gets such a bad rap...

[Nick]

to be honest this sort of shit is going to lead to something VERY bad happening in the end up. Public opinion of islam is horrendous and there is going to be a point where people snap.

i have no problem with the religion existing but it seems to promote its followers to have a massive chip on their shoulder about everything.

[BigM555]

Personally I think Penn & Teller nailed in on their episode of BS about campus diversity.

Originally Posted by Penn

We're all offended, all the time, and we don't have a fucking right not to be offended! A free country is a marketplace of ideas, and college should be more free, not less.

People need to get the F over themselves and stop believing that they have some kind of inherent right to NOT be offended by anyone. If I offend you, you have the right to ignore me or perhaps bar me from your own personal domicile. THAT'S IT!!

No reparations, no marches, no bs statements of oppression. You just ignore me. You are the only one that can control how you will react. I can't control what you might be offended by and shouldn't be obligated to know!

If I've offended you, then tell me. I will make the choice of whether or not to change my future actions. But don't try to force it.

This kind of crap drives me nuts.

[noodles]

Step 1: Find alternative energy source
Step 2: Sever all ties with the middle east

Seems simple enough to me.