Muslims call for teacher who named a bear mohammed to be excecuted by firing squad.

[VforVendetta00]

and THAT is why there has to be a separation between the church and state EVERYWHERE! religion as a whole is a cancer upon humanity, muslim, catholic, whatever, its all crap, education and common civil values are what should keep society working not some fear of an all mighty, unseen and make believe entity.

[Jongpil Yun]

Originally Posted by 999dead666

cant you understand that all extremists are ....ed up people and they dont belong to any religion?? their only religion is who is not like me doent deserve to live?? and the best way is to ignore them instead of just going in games with them running in circles!!

Uh, no. There are extremist muslims, extremist christians, extremist jews. The definition of "extremist" is someone who interprets their holy text as being literal, and acts upon it, so they declare jihad and stone adulterers. The idea that they don't belong to any religion except for violent conformism is just bullshit, because violent conformism is a part of islam, christianity, and judaism. Period.

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by 999dead666

i was reading the whole thread,its very offensive in general, specially against muslims. the title of the thread is wrong,because some of the sudanees made big shit of the whole matter,just to use it against the british goverment which is already pushing on the sudans about the Darfour crisis.so its just political matter used by both parties.now i would like to tell you in the arabic news and articles that followed this incident, i cant remember any that supported the trial.actually all of them said its scandal,its stupid,and its pure politics just to use it against britain the same way libya used the bulgarian nurses case to get what it wanted from the west,so if bunch of pro sudanee regime made fuzz over their own stupidity, it shouldnt let you guys insult over bilion muslims around the world,cos it was pure stupidity and the woman is innocent

It's already been brought up, either in this thread or the other one discussing this story, that there's a huge distinction between the rational Muslims, who've made it abundantly clear that they feel this case is ridiculous, and the zealots who're out baying for this woman's blood and want to throw the 'islamophobia' card around over every perceived insult or slight.
It's also been made clear by various members of the boards that they feel the same way about religious extremism in any form is a serious issue. If it were Christian zealots doing this over a perceived insult to Jesus, or Scientlogists trying it over someone making fun of L. Ron Hubbard, you'd see exactly the same set of responses.
Regarding the picture; I would have thought it was way too ridiculous to offend anyone, but as this story shows, some people are determined to be offended by anything...

[Prometheus]

In my experience, Muslims are a strange lot. They've got the whole get-'em-while-they're-young approach down to an art. A woman that works with me is Muslim. Born in South Africa, raised here, never been anywhere else. She's highly intelligent, very friendly, very funny, she is pretty cool by pretty anybody's standards. But, and I mean this, she scares me sometimes. You know about the news a while back where a woman was raped in Saudi, and SHE was sentenced to 200 lashes for the crime of not having a male guardian with her? My colleague, despite some misgivings, actually admitted that because it was a judgment made by Muslim men who have the authority, she was in favour of it. She didn't agree with it, really, but that wasn't the point - apparently, for a Muslim, religion supersedes EVERYTHING else. You're first a Muslim, then a South African, or an American, or whatever.

It blew my MIND!

Giving up common sense for the supposedly greater cause, slavishly obeying a bunch of people you've never met, that live in a country half a world away. And it's done willingly. Incredible.

And don't think I'm targeting Muslims with this, I contend that all religions do this. Which is why I'm not religious. Or, one of the reasons, anyway.

[Nick]

im going to say that that mindset is far more prevelant with the islamic faith.

Christians will say quite happily that they are british or american but all to often i see muslims here who will say that theyr alligance lies with whatever country their grandparents or whoever from their family origionally came here came from. Even though they are born and raised in this country.

Its not a good state of affairs.

Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

It's already been brought up, either in this thread or the other one discussing this story, that there's a huge distinction between the rational Muslims, who've made it abundantly clear that they feel this case is ridiculous, and the zealots who're out baying for this woman's blood and want to throw the 'islamophobia' card around over every perceived insult or slight.
It's also been made clear by various members of the boards that they feel the same way about religious extremism in any form is a serious issue. If it were Christian zealots doing this over a perceived insult to Jesus, or Scientlogists trying it over someone making fun of L. Ron Hubbard, you'd see exactly the same set of responses.
Regarding the picture; I would have thought it was way too ridiculous to offend anyone, but as this story shows, some people are determined to be offended by anything...

Its funny that the people responsible for creating 'Islamophobia' are the people who are so quick to complain about it.

All they are doing is making the world hate their religion and see them as troublemakers with massive chips on their shoulders about everything.

[Jarrett]

Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir pardoned her and she has been released.

BBC NEWS | UK | Teddy row teacher to be released

It's interesting that all of the comments that I heard from Britsh Muslims were basically saying that the whole thing was just a cultural misunderstanding and a huge over reaction on the part of Sudan.

[The Dark Wolf]

I agree with you Nick, and think you said it very well.

The woman (a UK citizen, and teacher, BTW) was pardoned and is to be released. A least a shred of common sense prevails.

Sudan pardons Briton in teddy row - CNN.com

[Nick]

thanks,

Im happy to hear shes out, this has pissed me off far more than any other current event in the last few years.

[The Dark Wolf]

Add to it the whole ordeal with the young Saudi woman who was raped and now faces 200 lashes AND jail time, and I'm right there with you.

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by Jarrett

Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir pardoned her and she has been released.

BBC NEWS | UK | Teddy row teacher to be released

It's interesting that all of the comments that I heard from Britsh Muslims were basically saying that the whole thing was just a cultural misunderstanding and a huge over reaction on the part of Sudan.

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

In my experience, Muslims are a strange lot. They've got the whole get-'em-while-they're-young approach down to an art. A woman that works with me is Muslim. Born in South Africa, raised here, never been anywhere else. She's highly intelligent, very friendly, very funny, she is pretty cool by pretty anybody's standards. But, and I mean this, she scares me sometimes. You know about the news a while back where a woman was raped in Saudi, and SHE was sentenced to 200 lashes for the crime of not having a male guardian with her? My colleague, despite some misgivings, actually admitted that because it was a judgment made by Muslim men who have the authority, she was in favour of it. She didn't agree with it, really, but that wasn't the point - apparently, for a Muslim, religion supersedes EVERYTHING else. You're first a Muslim, then a South African, or an American, or whatever.

It blew my MIND!

Giving up common sense for the supposedly greater cause, slavishly obeying a bunch of people you've never met, that live in a country half a world away. And it's done willingly. Incredible.

And don't think I'm targeting Muslims with this, I contend that all religions do this. Which is why I'm not religious. Or, one of the reasons, anyway.

That's one of the saddest things I've ever heard...

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by Nick

im going to say that that mindset is far more prevelant with the islamic faith.

Christians will say quite happily that they are british or american but all to often i see muslims here who will say that theyr alligance lies with whatever country their grandparents or whoever from their family origionally came here came from. Even though they are born and raised in this country.

Its not a good state of affairs.



Its funny that the people responsible for creating 'Islamophobia' are the people who are so quick to complain about it.

All they are doing is making the world hate their religion and see them as troublemakers with massive chips on their shoulders about everything.

Agree on all points. It's a wierd state of affairs.

[7StringofAblicK]

I'm going to name my next pet Muhammad, then I will call my local newspaper and tell them about it.

[7StringofAblicK]

Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

That's one of the saddest things I've ever heard...

+1

It just doesn't make sense

[noodles]

Originally Posted by Nick

im going to say that that mindset is far more prevelant with the islamic faith.

Christians will say quite happily that they are british or american but all to often i see muslims here who will say that theyr alligance lies with whatever country their grandparents or whoever from their family origionally came here came from. Even though they are born and raised in this country.

When I was 20, my 18yo girlfriend broke up with me to get married. Yes, you read that right. Her parents arranged a marriage between her and a 32yo man from New York who she never met. She was born and raised in this country. She was very much the typical American teenager, but she refused to disobey her father.

When I was 26, I asked a Iranian woman in my building out. She was very interested in me, but refused. Her parents still lived in Iran, which meant her brother was in charge of her, and her brother refused to allow her to date white men. The fact that she a modern woman meant nothing, because she refused to go against the will of the man who "cared" for her "well being".

These were women who dressed American, were independent, went clubbing with their friends, and didn't really practice their faith. In the case of the second, she didn't even live with her brother. However, she would speak to him every day, and he would tell her exactly what he approved or disapproved of. The one time I actually met him, I told him to do his sister a favor and move the .... back to Iran and take Allah with him, because we try to avoid enslaving women in America.

[BigM555]

Originally Posted by noodles

The one time I actually met him, I told him to do his sister a favor and move the .... back to Iran and take Allah with him, because we try to avoid enslaving women in America.

So how'd that work out for ya? He's a pen pal now no doubt?

[noodles]

He got really mad, and looked like he was getting ready to beat me senseless. I just reminded him that we're allowed to insult Allah in America, and retalliation is an assult charge that carries prison time.

He told me something about staying away from his sister "or else", and I said that her delusions, and not his hollow threats, is the only thing preventing that from happening.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by noodles

He got really mad, and looked like he was getting ready to beat me senseless. I just reminded him that we're allowed to insult Allah in America, and retalliation is an assult charge that carries prison time.

He told me something about staying away from his sister "or else", and I said that her delusions, and not his hollow threats, is the only thing preventing that from happening.

Wow, what a dick.

[noodles]

I can't really blame him, since he was brought up that way. Religious indocrination is an ugly thing.

[distressed_romeo]

As an addendum to this story, some Muslims in London have apparently had 'teddy bear' or similar insults scratched onto their cars...

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by noodles

I can't really blame him, since he was brought up that way. Religious indocrination is an ugly thing.

It doesn't make it any less disgusting. Apparently a lot of arranged marriages only succeed because of the insane amount of pressure from both families to stay together rather than because the couple are particularly happy.

[Nick]

agree fully its a total joke that it still goes on.

[Prometheus]

It's amazing the justifications you'll get if you give advocates of arranged marriages your opinion, namely, it's a practice that should've died out centuries ago. It's actually a fairly surreal experience, because you'll get the reasons why it's a good thing, and they almost make sense. Almost.

It constantly amazes and saddens me just how powerful that kind of religious and cultural imprinting can be, and how often it's, quite frankly, tragic. For instance, there are many people in my country - men, amazingly enough - that, thanks to their tribal teachings, think they can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin. So, they rape female babies, the reasoning being that a 6 month old is most likely still "pure". Some call this a mere lack of education. ..... I'm sorry, but this kind of behaviour and thinking, this abhorrence, stems from something else, something deeper, and I fear that no amount of education can ever fix it.

Any religion/culture which places the male on a higher pedestal than the female - and correct me if I'm wrong here, but most of them do - needs to go. I have no time for anyone that, because he has a penis, thinks he is inherently better than a woman. I don't care if he's been raised that way, indoctrinated from birth to think that way, I couldn't care less. That whole way of thinking has no place in the modern world.
And what REALLY freaks me out is when the woman of said religions/cultures actually AGREE with this attitude, and have all the reasons and justifications they've been taught. And, once again, when they tell you why they think this way, it almost makes sense. Almost.

[distressed_romeo]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

It's amazing the justifications you'll get if you give advocates of arranged marriages your opinion, namely, it's a practice that should've died out centuries ago. It's actually a fairly surreal experience, because you'll get the reasons why it's a good thing, and they almost make sense. Almost.

It constantly amazes and saddens me just how powerful that kind of religious and cultural imprinting can be, and how often it's, quite frankly, tragic. For instance, there are many people in my country - men, amazingly enough - that, thanks to their tribal teachings, think they can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin. So, they rape female babies, the reasoning being that a 6 month old is most likely still "pure". Some call this a mere lack of education. ..... I'm sorry, but this kind of behaviour and thinking, this abhorrence, stems from something else, something deeper, and I fear that no amount of education can ever fix it.

Any religion/culture which places the male on a higher pedestal than the female - and correct me if I'm wrong here, but most of them do - needs to go. I have no time for anyone that, because he has a penis, thinks he is inherently better than a woman. I don't care if he's been raised that way, indoctrinated from birth to think that way, I couldn't care less. That whole way of thinking has no place in the modern world.
And what REALLY freaks me out is when the woman of said religions/cultures actually AGREE with this attitude, and have all the reasons and justifications they've been taught. And, once again, when they tell you why they think this way, it almost makes sense. Almost.

Agree with everything here, although whenever I've heard people trying to justify cultural things like this, they usually can't come up with anything more than 'the [insert appropriate holy book] says...'. and act like that's justification enough.

[JJ Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

It doesn't make it any less disgusting. Apparently a lot of arranged marriages only succeed because of the insane amount of pressure from both families to stay together rather than because the couple are particularly happy.

Bari given life sentence for wife's murder

All except that one. That was my friends land lord. When they found her body in the other part of his place (I guess it had been there a little while) he was a little freaked out obviously, so I went over so we could have a smoke and chill and shit so he could get away since he doesn't have a car and I had my Mom's a lot of the time at that point. I don't know if they were muslim, but I'm pretty sure that was an arranged marriage. I guess that guy doesn't take very good care of his "property".