An Even More Inconvenient Truth

[noodles]

Originally Posted by Kevan

As you pointed out, all facts.
The other fact is: Al chose that house, and then bought it. He knew it was as efficient as Concorde on takeoff when he singed at the closing. It's not like it was some big surprise.

You're right, he could have passed on that house. Odds are the people who bought it instead would have left it alone, rather than spending a ton of money on expensive upgrades to more eco-friendly energy sources, thus contributing more to global warming than the Gores.

Instead, Al Gore is causing himself great personal expense by upgrading an outdated house to meet (and far exceed) modern environmental standards.

Noodles- that's the helipad.

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you?

[Durero]

There is no connection between climate science and Al Gore's supposedly hypocritical character. It makes no difference to the global environmental problems we're facing wether Al Gore is a perfect saint or the CEO of Exxon. To try to catch him doing something hypocritical, instead of facing the important information he is helping to convey, is a cowardly excuse not to face our own participation in the degradation of our planet.

To put it another way: if a worldwide organization of scientists published an extensive study researching the health affects of smoking, and presented conclusive evidence that smoking is bad for your health, would you choose to ignore it & cry 'hypocrite' instead because you saw one of the scientists smoking a cigarette?

[NegaTiveXero]

Originally Posted by Durero

There is no connection between climate science and Al Gore's supposedly hypocritical character. It makes no difference to the global environmental problems we're facing wether Al Gore is a perfect saint or the CEO of Exxon. To try to catch him doing something hypocritical, instead of facing the important information he is helping to convey, is a cowardly excuse not to face our own participation in the degradation of our planet.

To put it another way: if a worldwide organization of scientists published an extensive study researching the health affects of smoking, and presented conclusive evidence that smoking is bad for your health, would you choose to ignore it & cry 'hypocrite' instead because you saw one of the scientists smoking a cigarette?

Perfectly put. You get E-rep.

[Kevan]

Originally Posted by Drew

Leave it to Kevan to make the Concorde joke.

Hey, fair enough, Kevan, no arguing there. Though, the question must be asked, if YOU owned his house, would you sell it, if it was just Rachel and you?

Drew and I will probably never sit silent in a room together, but at least it's intelligent conversation.
If it were Rachel and I? Yes. A big FOR SALE sign goes up this afternoon. We simply can't afford a $2400/mo. utility bill.

Originally Posted by noodles

You're right, he could have passed on that house. Odds are the people who bought it instead would have left it alone, rather than spending a ton of money on expensive upgrades to more eco-friendly energy sources, thus contributing more to global warming than the Gores.

That's simply a guess.
There are a kabillion possibilities on what *could* happen to the house if the Gores passed on it:
- It could have been hit by a tornado.
- It could have been upgraded to uber-enviro by it's new owner, Mr. Bush.
- It could have burned to the ground.
- It could have been used as a landing site for an alien spacecraft to pick up the man that's been trapped under a mountain for 5000 years.
- It could have been.....well, I'll stop there. You get the idea.

Originally Posted by noodles

Instead, Al Gore is causing himself great personal expense by upgrading an outdated house to meet (and far exceed) modern environmental standards.

And $10 says the work is being done purely to save face.
We are talking about a politician after all.

[Durero]

Originally Posted by Kevan

And $10 says the work is being done purely to save face.

Your own "That's simply a guess." is the most appropriate response to this.

[Kevan]

Originally Posted by Durero

Your own "That's simply a guess." is the most appropriate response to this.

Yeah, but I put $10 on it.
How much are you willing to put on the tornado or alien spacecraft?

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Kevan

Yeah, but I put $10 on it.
How much are you willing to put on the tornado or alien spacecraft?

Fair enough, Kevan. Even I have to admit your truck has like twice the balls of the next six cars I'll own put together.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by Kevan

That's simply a guess.
There are a kabillion possibilities on what *could* happen to the house if the Gores passed on it:
- It could have been hit by a tornado.
- It could have been upgraded to uber-enviro by it's new owner, Mr. Bush.
- It could have burned to the ground.
- It could have been used as a landing site for an alien spacecraft to pick up the man that's been trapped under a mountain for 5000 years.
- It could have been.....well, I'll stop there. You get the idea.

I think someone installed a Tremol-No on your brain and locked it in "can't admit defeat" mode.

[skattabrain]

Originally Posted by eaeolian

Gore's not perfect, obviously, but this smear campaign demonstrates one of the big issues in general in the US right now - distract from the real issue (possible human causes of global warming) to play political games.

i agree ... but it's a both sides problem. each side is always blanket bombing the other ... it's a 2 way street in Washington. unfortunately ... both directions lead to the sewer.

[ohio_eric]

Originally Posted by skattabrain

it's a 2 way street in Washington. unfortunately ... both directions lead to the sewer.

ZING!

[Kevan]

Originally Posted by noodles

I think someone installed a Tremol-No on your brain and locked it in "can't admit defeat" mode.

Why does everyone think that a simple conversation online is some type of battle or contest or fight?
Is there some memo that I missed?
Was it part of those new TPS report cover sheets?

Originally Posted by skattabrain

i agree ... but it's a both sides problem. each side is always blanket bombing the other ... it's a 2 way street in Washington. unfortunately ... both directions lead to the sewer.

Heh heh....good one, and so very true.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by Kevan

Why does everyone think that a simple conversation online is some type of battle or contest or fight?
Is there some memo that I missed?

Nah, I just really wanted to work in a Tremol-No crack.

Was it part of those new TPS report cover sheets?

Yes. Aaaaaaaaaaand I do believe you forgot to turn yours in. They were do today, yeaaaaah. I've taken the liberty of bringing by another copy for you to fill out.

[Kevan]

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