This is why I can't stomach the Iraq War

noodles · 03-30-2007, 10:20 AM

Here is a picture of Marine Sgt Ty Ziegel and his fiance, before he left for his first tour of Iraq:

One suicide bomb, 19 surgeries, and nearly two years later, here is Ty and his fiance on their wedding day:

Most of his face was melted off by the heat of the blast. He is blind in one eye. His shattered skull had to be replaced with plastic.

I'm sure we're fighting the good fight. I'm sure our president would never lie to us. I'm just positive that our saftey, and not the profit of big oil and defense contractors, is what is on the president's mind when he sends our soldiers off to get horribly mangled like this.

If he is lying, then just letting him finish his last two years in office is probably the right thing to do. He doesn't deserve to stand trial for this. No, of course not.

JJ Rodriguez · 03-30-2007, 11:20 AM

She certainly looks happy.

HighGain510 · 03-30-2007, 11:50 AM

That picture just made my heart sink with absolute sadness. Just terrible to think that people have to deal with things like that on an everyday basis just because Bush says he thinks this is the "right thing to do." Jackass.

Battle-axe · 03-30-2007, 12:05 PM

Wow, tht is just horrible.

eaeolian · 03-30-2007, 12:06 PM

Heh. Since I'm on a .mil, I can't see the "after" picture. Somehow, I'm not surprised...

Drew · 03-30-2007, 12:12 PM

...and since I'm on a large financial network, I can't see the before.

I'm guessing he doesn't look like an alien in the before?

"Heart sick" is the only word that comes to mind. You can't even hate the government for this. It just seems so pointless and so empty.

kmanick · 03-30-2007, 12:17 PM

jesus that's tragic.
Poor guy, I think I saw something on this guy on TV a while ago.

Grom · 03-30-2007, 12:22 PM

How to shatter 2 destinies (and many others hidden) ... I still don't understand how a majority of Americans thought that Bush was worth a second round.

Drew · 03-30-2007, 12:25 PM

Neither do a majority of Americans, Grom. :/

noodles · 03-30-2007, 01:06 PM

I just finished having lunch with my father, a Southern Baptist who voted Republican far more often that not. This is the man who still thinks Regan was a great president.

"Dave, the only thing that separates Bush from Hitler is that he is not loading people up on trains to haul off to concentration camps. He's a dictator, and I'll probably never vote for a Republican as long as I live. Damn their party for supporting him even now."

I'll never forget that as long as I live. That is what the GOP has sacrificed through all this: the trust of their closest supporters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaeolian

Heh. Since I'm on a .mil, I can't see the "after" picture. Somehow, I'm not surprised...

I just e-mailed it to you.

eaeolian · 03-30-2007, 01:10 PM

Yep, I got it. About what I expected - I've seen far too many of those...

urklvt · 03-30-2007, 01:36 PM

I'm with you Mike. Our shop reports casualty data to the G3 and the CG and I've seen my share of those too. And our brass complains that we don't have enough money in our budget for TDY.... Nothing more important to think about???

Drew · 03-30-2007, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaeolian

Yep, I got it. About what I expected - I've seen far too many of those...

All-American GI, buzz cut and a youthful grin, looking like a million bucks because he's going off to serve his country and defend freedom?

There's one man who paid way too high a price for disillusionment...

noodles · 03-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Sadly, Drew, you are right on the money.

I've attached the pics for those who can't view them at work.

JJ Rodriguez · 03-30-2007, 01:55 PM

Got to give that woman some respect, I bet a lot of women would have bolted when he came back, although she REALLY doesn't look like she's as happy on her wedding day as a woman should.

LilithXShred · 03-30-2007, 02:00 PM

damn... this nearly makes me cry

Drew · 03-30-2007, 02:08 PM

Oh god, that's even worse than I thought. They're about the most disgustingly happy All-American couple I've ever seen.

Today, she looks like she wants to cry, and he looks like he wishes he was still physically capable of crying.

noodles · 03-30-2007, 02:10 PM

I can't believe I forgot to link the article:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/200.../index_np.html

It was passed to me by a coworker. The wedding day image is from somewhere else, which explains why you may be able to see one and not the other.

Metal Ken · 03-30-2007, 02:16 PM

They had an article about this in People in November, i think. it was a really ....ed up read. they showed a bunch of pics of him in the hospital and everything.

Leon · 03-30-2007, 02:28 PM

:-\

ohio_eric · 03-30-2007, 03:09 PM

God, that is just sickening. Here's another reason, a guy from my town. IF you notice in the pic he's got less limbs than he went to Iraq with.

urklvt · 03-30-2007, 03:12 PM

Yeah, I wonder how long his VA benefits will take to kick in....

What's the rate now? 1 year if you're lucky?

noodles · 03-30-2007, 03:13 PM

If I was that soldier, I would have kicked that bastard the .... out of my hospital room.

HighGain510 · 03-30-2007, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles

If I was that soldier, I would have kicked that bastard the .... out of my hospital room.

I think his face in that picture says it all Dave.

Drew · 03-30-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles

If I was that soldier, I would have kicked that bastard the .... out of my hospital room.

I'm sure he would, too...

...if he had legs. Bush isn't a moron.

:/

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03-30-2007, 10:20 AM	#1
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,907 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	This is why I can't stomach the Iraq War Here is a picture of Marine Sgt Ty Ziegel and his fiance, before he left for his first tour of Iraq: One suicide bomb, 19 surgeries, and nearly two years later, here is Ty and his fiance on their wedding day: Most of his face was melted off by the heat of the blast. He is blind in one eye. His shattered skull had to be replaced with plastic. I'm sure we're fighting the good fight. I'm sure our president would never lie to us. I'm just positive that our saftey, and not the profit of big oil and defense contractors, is what is on the president's mind when he sends our soldiers off to get horribly mangled like this. If he is lying, then just letting him finish his last two years in office is probably the right thing to do. He doesn't deserve to stand trial for this. No, of course not. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com

03-30-2007, 12:06 PM	#5
eaeolian The Church of SEVEN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 11,776 Thanked: 56 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Heh. Since I'm on a .mil, I can't see the "after" picture. Somehow, I'm not surprised... Division - American metal that doesn't suck. Much. Even on Facebook, and Soundclick might eventually be updated, too.

03-30-2007, 12:12 PM	#6
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,648 Thanked: 153 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	...and since I'm on a large financial network, I can't see the before. I'm guessing he doesn't look like an alien in the before? "Heart sick" is the only word that comes to mind. You can't even hate the government for this. It just seems so pointless and so empty. "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon." http://www.metalguitarist.org

03-30-2007, 12:17 PM	#7
kmanick SS Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 6,523 Thanked: 86 Feedback Score: 14 reviews	jesus that's tragic. Poor guy, I think I saw something on this guy on TV a while ago. Axe Fx II in da house

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03-30-2007, 11:20 AM	#2
JJ Rodriguez Pantysniffing zombie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 11,700 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	She certainly looks happy.

03-30-2007, 11:50 AM	#3
HighGain510 Cold As Ice Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 12,531 Thanked: 228 Feedback Score: 32 reviews	That picture just made my heart sink with absolute sadness. Just terrible to think that people have to deal with things like that on an everyday basis just because Bush says he thinks this is the "right thing to do." Jackass.

03-30-2007, 12:05 PM	#4
Battle-axe ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: -- Posts: 438 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wow, tht is just horrible.

03-30-2007, 12:22 PM	#8
Grom New found sanity Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland. Posts: 356 Thanked: 5 / 1 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How to shatter 2 destinies (and many others hidden) ... I still don't understand how a majority of Americans thought that Bush was worth a second round. "Be smart and I'll .... you over - sayeth the Lord". Frank Zappa

03-30-2007, 12:25 PM	#9
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,648 Thanked: 153 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Neither do a majority of Americans, Grom. :/ "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon." http://www.metalguitarist.org

03-30-2007, 01:10 PM	#11
eaeolian The Church of SEVEN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 11,776 Thanked: 56 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Yep, I got it. About what I expected - I've seen far too many of those... Division - American metal that doesn't suck. Much. Even on Facebook, and Soundclick might eventually be updated, too.

03-30-2007, 01:36 PM	#12
urklvt XEN Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 3,572 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I'm with you Mike. Our shop reports casualty data to the G3 and the CG and I've seen my share of those too. And our brass complains that we don't have enough money in our budget for TDY.... Nothing more important to think about??? xen website / facebook / email / urklvt

03-30-2007, 01:53 PM	#14
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,907 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Sadly, Drew, you are right on the money. I've attached the pics for those who can't view them at work. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com Last edited by noodles; 11-18-2010 at 10:42 AM.

03-30-2007, 01:55 PM	#15
JJ Rodriguez Pantysniffing zombie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 11,700 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Got to give that woman some respect, I bet a lot of women would have bolted when he came back, although she REALLY doesn't look like she's as happy on her wedding day as a woman should.

03-30-2007, 02:00 PM	#16
LilithXShred Mah Kitteh doez Coke Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Münster, Germany Posts: 219 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn... this nearly makes me cry My Mammal Sauce is the best Mammal Sauce

03-30-2007, 02:08 PM	#17
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,648 Thanked: 153 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Oh god, that's even worse than I thought. They're about the most disgustingly happy All-American couple I've ever seen. Today, she looks like she wants to cry, and he looks like he wishes he was still physically capable of crying. "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon." http://www.metalguitarist.org

03-30-2007, 02:10 PM	#18
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,907 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I can't believe I forgot to link the article: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/200.../index_np.html It was passed to me by a coworker. The wedding day image is from somewhere else, which explains why you may be able to see one and not the other. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com

03-30-2007, 02:16 PM	#19
Metal Ken Hates the Air Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 17,846 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	They had an article about this in People in November, i think. it was a really ....ed up read. they showed a bunch of pics of him in the hospital and everything. If you list your gear in your signature, you're a prick.

03-30-2007, 02:28 PM	#20
Leon {##[====:::. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nebula, Ohio Posts: 12,585 Thanked: 91 Feedback Score: 20 reviews	:-\

03-30-2007, 03:09 PM	#21
ohio_eric SS Contributor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 9,243 Thanked: 189 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	God, that is just sickening. Here's another reason, a guy from my town. IF you notice in the pic he's got less limbs than he went to Iraq with.

03-30-2007, 03:12 PM	#22
urklvt XEN Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 3,572 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Yeah, I wonder how long his VA benefits will take to kick in.... What's the rate now? 1 year if you're lucky? xen website / facebook / email / urklvt

03-30-2007, 03:13 PM	#23
noodles I'm your huckleberry Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 17,907 Thanked: 303 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	If I was that soldier, I would have kicked that bastard the .... out of my hospital room. Noodles Division: American Metal without the suck. kxksales@gmail.com

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