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Unread 03-30-2007, 11:20 AM   #1
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This is why I can't stomach the Iraq War

Here is a picture of Marine Sgt Ty Ziegel and his fiance, before he left for his first tour of Iraq:



One suicide bomb, 19 surgeries, and nearly two years later, here is Ty and his fiance on their wedding day:



Most of his face was melted off by the heat of the blast. He is blind in one eye. His shattered skull had to be replaced with plastic.

I'm sure we're fighting the good fight. I'm sure our president would never lie to us. I'm just positive that our saftey, and not the profit of big oil and defense contractors, is what is on the president's mind when he sends our soldiers off to get horribly mangled like this.

If he is lying, then just letting him finish his last two years in office is probably the right thing to do. He doesn't deserve to stand trial for this. No, of course not.

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Unread 03-30-2007, 12:20 PM   #2
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She certainly looks happy.
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That picture just made my heart sink with absolute sadness. Just terrible to think that people have to deal with things like that on an everyday basis just because Bush says he thinks this is the "right thing to do." Jackass.

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Wow, tht is just horrible.
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Heh. Since I'm on a .mil, I can't see the "after" picture. Somehow, I'm not surprised...

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...and since I'm on a large financial network, I can't see the before.

I'm guessing he doesn't look like an alien in the before?


"Heart sick" is the only word that comes to mind. You can't even hate the government for this. It just seems so pointless and so empty.

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jesus that's tragic.
Poor guy, I think I saw something on this guy on TV a while ago.

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How to shatter 2 destinies (and many others hidden) ... I still don't understand how a majority of Americans thought that Bush was worth a second round.

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Neither do a majority of Americans, Grom. :/

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I just finished having lunch with my father, a Southern Baptist who voted Republican far more often that not. This is the man who still thinks Regan was a great president.

"Dave, the only thing that separates Bush from Hitler is that he is not loading people up on trains to haul off to concentration camps. He's a dictator, and I'll probably never vote for a Republican as long as I live. Damn their party for supporting him even now."

I'll never forget that as long as I live. That is what the GOP has sacrificed through all this: the trust of their closest supporters.

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Yep, I got it. About what I expected - I've seen far too many of those...

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I'm with you Mike. Our shop reports casualty data to the G3 and the CG and I've seen my share of those too. And our brass complains that we don't have enough money in our budget for TDY.... Nothing more important to think about???


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Unread 03-30-2007, 02:43 PM   #13
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Yep, I got it. About what I expected - I've seen far too many of those...
All-American GI, buzz cut and a youthful grin, looking like a million bucks because he's going off to serve his country and defend freedom?

There's one man who paid way too high a price for disillusionment...

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Sadly, Drew, you are right on the money.



I've attached the pics for those who can't view them at work.

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Got to give that woman some respect, I bet a lot of women would have bolted when he came back, although she REALLY doesn't look like she's as happy on her wedding day as a woman should.
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damn... this nearly makes me cry

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Oh god, that's even worse than I thought. They're about the most disgustingly happy All-American couple I've ever seen.

Today, she looks like she wants to cry, and he looks like he wishes he was still physically capable of crying.

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I can't believe I forgot to link the article:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/200.../index_np.html

It was passed to me by a coworker. The wedding day image is from somewhere else, which explains why you may be able to see one and not the other.

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They had an article about this in People in November, i think. it was a really ....ed up read. they showed a bunch of pics of him in the hospital and everything.
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God, that is just sickening. Here's another reason, a guy from my town. IF you notice in the pic he's got less limbs than he went to Iraq with.

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Yeah, I wonder how long his VA benefits will take to kick in....

What's the rate now? 1 year if you're lucky?


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If I was that soldier, I would have kicked that bastard the .... out of my hospital room.

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If I was that soldier, I would have kicked that bastard the .... out of my hospital room.
I'm sure he would, too...


...if he had legs. Bush isn't a moron.

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