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Unread 06-23-2012, 12:27 PM   #1
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Pretty Sure Everyone is Against Racism...

...but words really fail me with regards to this campaign.






It's one thing to bring attention to the subtle aspects of racism that whites in general may take for granted, but I'm pretty sure that this is just whoring for controversy.
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Unread 06-23-2012, 12:46 PM   #2
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Agreed.

This is kind of one of those unspoken things that people know about when you realize what racism is and look at it in the bigger picture. I saw a great tumblr post once talking about "white privilege" and how it doesn't mean we're better (and I would hope no white person actually thinks that's what it means we're entitled to) but that it means we'll never have insults that actually hurts us or remind us of the struggles we've had to overcome because they're virtually non-existant.
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So... all white people should feel bad?

Yeah, that premise worked for feminists (all men are rapists) and for gay rights (all straight people are assholes), why not try it here?

Stupid ad is stupid.
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Dramatic much?

This is a load of crap. Though I guess, according to this, that I don't have the inherent capacity to understand what they're suggesting.

On an aside, I like how the first girl's pupils are tiny. She seems to be uncomfortably blasted by a white camera light.
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Unread 06-23-2012, 12:52 PM   #5
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Calling it "crap" isn't right, as it is true and these things DO apply to us; but calling us out on it like it's our fault for how the past 3XX years of history played out isn't changing things either.

Also, the last ad poster with the writing on her neck about the "wrong neighborhood" - that can apply to ANY race.

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I was referring to the ad campaign as a load of crap. Which it is.

And most of the comments which aren't even touching on tangible aspects of "white privilege"

comments about fair skin, about being normal, being unable to detect racism etc. All crap.


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This is stupid. Are they complaining about the lack of racism towards white people?

The past is irrelevant. What our ancestors did has nothing to do with us. We need to work on spreading tolerance and understanding for our current and future generations.
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All I can get out of this is that they want some ....ed up form of equality. It is like, if racism won't go away completely then EVERYONE needs to be put on the same level and people need to be exponentially more racist towards white people just...because? I guess. As sad as our history is in some aspects, people need to realize that non-white races will always have a certain stigma about them if thinking like that remains common. This is just dumb.
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This sort of message only pushes people away from each other. I understand what they are "trying" to say, (compassion towards people of other races) but the delivery really puts me off.

It feels like they are trying to say that if you are white you should feel guilty about it, or that you are incapable of understanding racism from another perspective.

Is this from the mind of someone who may be "projecting" their own guilt on all whites? Who knows, maybe someday we can get along.
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For a while I was building up cultural stereotypes.
not necessarily a bad thing. I still read books on hinduism, buddhism, taoism etc + have loads of "world music" CDs.

these days I try to think in human universals, but am fascinated by differences, kind of a paradox.

(Maybe I'm trying to make up for not having perfect pitch?)

I'm getting sick of religious B.S. these days (as is my right I suppose)
and am returning to secular humanism.

I still have an "inner critic" that makes embarrassing superficial judgements of people, I think most people have to some degree.

Obviously what we see in others is often a reflection of ourselves, know yourself and know other people.
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Unread 06-23-2012, 04:35 PM   #12
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White privilege. We should be aware of it. Many people aren't. We don't need to hate ourselves, just need to realise the unfair advantage that your skin colour and centuries of institutional power has granted us.

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Unread 06-23-2012, 04:45 PM   #13
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I know I don't feel guilty one bit. Try as they may.

Spending your first 23yrs. in a whose who of various 70s model trailers will tend to erase most self guilt of white priviledge.

But for those who grew up rich or middle-class, yes, you should hate yourself ( just being sarcastic) lol.
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Unread 06-23-2012, 08:15 PM   #14
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We already had a thread on this bullshit campaign. Real racism is terrible and we are still a long way from moving past it; creating a type of racism where someone is supposedly racism by being their race is just beyond the pale counter-productive and intellectually dishonest.

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From my experience as a person who grew up in a country when I was a majority, and now live in one where I am a minority, I can say the following:

It's not hard to see racism when you are white, I'm sure the white people behind this campaign do not posses any special power that allows them to see more than other white people could, or to sympathize with the victims of institutionalized racism. I believe it's hard to acknowledge any form of discrimination against a minorities when you are a majority who does not want to lose his/her social privileges, whatever the context may be.

As far as the ads go, yes, they are not pretty. I did not enjoy seeing them, but I think that's the whole point of it, to bring to our attention a subject that makes many of us uncomfortable, and makes many of us get all defensive.
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Unread 06-24-2012, 02:10 AM   #16
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OK, so I'm more privileged for being white. Cool. So... what do you want me to do about this completely uncontrollable fact of my existence? Kill myself? OK!
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Now that I actually looked at the website, the ads make more sense. And I don't see how they are trying to make people white people feel guilty about their skin color. I'm sure they are aware that this so called "white guilt" is stupid in that it does absolutely nothing to address the issue of institutionalized racism. I don't think that is what they are advocating, as so many of these defensive knee jerk reactions assume. I believe the whole point is to address what they believe is a problem. And you can't address a problem if you don't even want to admit that there is one to begin with.

Now, I still have some criticism for the campaign. For one, while it asks people to become aware and take action, I think it should be a little more specific about what kind of action should be taken. Another thing, while I think the campaign is well intentioned, I think it is still too "white-centered". What I mean by that is that they seem to believe the issue of racism, whether personal prejudice or institutionalized discrimination, is one where only "whites" have a burden, or a responsibility to address. Minorities, in many cases remain deeply divided, self conscious, and apathetic; this is very detrimental as well. IMO campaigns like these should forget the top-down approach they seem to be taking, and be more inclusive, so that all people could join forces and destroy the current social hierarchies.
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This reminds me of a guy I was in jail with. He was black/white mixed and was always trying to act like he's a victim of racism. After he called me a racist, I threw him off a balcony, went downstairs, and beat the shit out of him some more. THAT is how much the racism card pisses me off. I judge people by their own merits. Granted, I call people racist names when they piss me off bad enough, and when I'm that pissed, I want to slug it out.
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This is kind of one of those unspoken things that people know about when you realize what racism is and look at it in the bigger picture. I saw a great tumblr post once talking about "white privilege" and how it doesn't mean we're better (and I would hope no white person actually thinks that's what it means we're entitled to) but that it means we'll never have insults that actually hurts us or remind us of the struggles we've had to overcome because they're virtually non-existant.
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"We're lucky we're white.
Lucky to be the majority"

Yeah, the 2.5 billion that make up China and India alone have something to say about that.

This whole campaign reeks of a similar smell to the whole "KONY2012" thing. Rich white kids getting all ruffled up about something they have no idea about.

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Most of racists people are dumb so you have to use a dumb reasoning to convince them.
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I don't know... the last lawfirm I worked for (I'm a Desktop Support Tech) my manager was hispanic and my supervisor was black. Both had higher held positions and plenty more cash than I. My mother and father divorced when I was two cause he was a nasty alcoholic. She raised my borther and I while on Welfare, which wasn't enough to pay all the bills so she had to do some occasional cleaning side work.

I dropped out of high school when I was 18, but that is because they were teaching me all the shit I already learned in my elementary school. I managed to make an ok life because I am an autodidact - I love to learn a lot on my own and was doing computers since like 6 years old.

I don't feel privileged at all. One of my hispanic co-worker desktop techs went on to become an IT manager and I am happy for him. I never wanted to be confined to a chair all day so I passed on opportunities to advance, one of which that same guy took to further his career.

Anyhow, I get the message of the ad... and maybe it's because I live in/around New York City that things are seen differently for me. Perhaps here we level out more than other parts of the country and have come further when it comes to racial equality so I don't notice the issue as much. What I will say though is I personally feel the more we bring up racism and keeps it's memory alive and well the longer it will live on. These ads IMO are NOT wise nor helpful to the cause because it focuses on another race and points out things that will just upset others and further create bias. I'm not saying we should all just put the blinders on, but it could've been done better. Why not a picture of a black man with slogans written on his face like, "Why am I not just as good as you?" or somethings like that? Pointing at our skin color and essentially calling us "Entitled" and "Favored" is pretty ridiculous and is a gross stereotype in and of itself.


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I was referring to the ad campaign as a load of crap. Which it is.

And most of the comments which aren't even touching on tangible aspects of "white privilege"

comments about fair skin, about being normal, being unable to detect racism etc. All crap.
I know what you're saying, their comments themselves hold a bit of racism, it seems.


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How is this not ant-white racism?

To me it has nothing to do with actual skin color; it has to do with how you were raised and how you act. There is a "Mainstream American" culture and anyone is free to join. You don't act like a criminal, you get an education and you work hard to succeed at your job. There are plenty of minorities that have followed the formula and are as successful as anyone else.

It has nothing to do with skin color. Even if you are white there are going to be people who are against you if you are tall or short, fat or skinny, strong or weak, rich or poor, smart or stupid. There are always people who will not like you no matter what but if you apply yourself and persevere you will eventually come out ahead.

I think it is hypocritical for some upper-middle class minority professor, who has proven minorities have a chance to succeed, to claim otherwise. Those who do fail have made seriously flawed decisions with how they conduct their lives. If you choose to identify with a dysfunctional sub-culture than you will suffer a hard life. Live like a gangsta, die like a gangsta. Live like a hard working American, die like a hard working American. Those who claim it is about race speak with a forked tongue.
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