Finally the Higgs boson?

Jakke · 06-20-2012, 03:12 PM

There is a substantial rumour in the scientific community that data might have been found that can point us to the Higgs boson, the mythical particle that is predicted to be the final puzzle piece in the standard model.

I should stress that this is not verified yet, but it do looks promising... If it turns out to be correct, the researchers can book their tickets to Stockholm immediately

So fellow scientifically minded board members, what do you think?

bob123 · 06-20-2012, 03:17 PM

This will be the 40th time they've "discovered" it. When they get everything down on paper, I'll start believing them.

Necris · 06-20-2012, 03:23 PM

Good evidence must be shown first, my belief comes afterward.

Jakke · 06-20-2012, 03:27 PM

I would say that the two alleged sigma-4 are pretty interesting, it is not proof just yet, but highly interesting...

*EDIT* Oh yeah, for anyone who has been fortunate enough not to do any quantum physics, sigma-4 (or 4-sigma) means that there are 4 standard deviations in their measuring values.
TL;DR for anyone who don't want to read a wiki article in probability (I really can't blame you). Visualize you are shooting at a target, you have an expected point where you know you should hit (say the bullseye) with this ammunition (this is the expected charge the researchers have that they expect a particle to have). Around there you have circles which are named 1 standard deviation, 2 standard deviations etc. If you then fire and it hits at the five circle, that is too far a distance for the bullet to have deviated from the expected target by sheer chance (the probability that it has done so by sheer chance is one in a million), so you see that you have to check if there is anything wrong with the gun or with your bullets as there must be something influencing the path.

If we parallel this to the experiment, the researchers has allegedly found a particle with a much higher charge than a proton should have at two separate occasions that the probability of this being due to chance are miniscule. But this is only allegeldy.

leftyguitarjoe · 06-20-2012, 03:50 PM

I'll look forward to the announcement. I hope this is real.

Blind Theory · 06-20-2012, 05:37 PM

While it would be cool, I am highly skeptical. There was a thread earlier this year I believe stating the same thing and nothing came of it. I personally don't believe we have the technology to accurately detect some of these things yet. It's not to say we won't but I don't think we are there yet. If this turns out to be legit it will open a TON of doors and yes, they will definitely be booking a ticket to Stockholm.

brutalwizard · 06-21-2012, 03:00 AM

I dont really carry wiki articles with too much weight.

But i eagerly await the finding of the higgs boson!!

It would be too neat.

The Uncreator · 06-21-2012, 05:48 PM

Don't get me all excited without something. I really feel I will be alive for it's discovery, so I am always a bit anxious for it

Phlegethon · 06-22-2012, 09:08 PM

only one more sigma to go before it's official. IIRC the standard for discovery stuff like this is 5 sigma, and choosing to look at the optimistic side. but like others have mentioned, the data has to back the findings and any tests that find the higgs boson will have to pass scientific muster for this sort of thing

but celebrating that we're getting it done, even if it's taking longer than some would like

Murdstone · 06-22-2012, 10:57 PM

This would be really sweet if they can close the case.

I hope for the sake of everyone though that they double-checked that all the machines were plugged in correctly...

Jakke · 06-23-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Murdstone

I hope for the sake of everyone though that they double-checked that all the machines were plugged in correctly...

DAMN YOU FAULTY GPS!!

JamesM · 06-23-2012, 11:19 AM

Skeptical.

The Uncreator · 06-24-2012, 01:50 PM

Excitement Builds Over Expected Higgs Boson Announcement | LHC | Space.com

Chickenhawk · 06-24-2012, 07:14 PM

<--- Cautiously optimistic, as usual.

technomancer · 06-24-2012, 07:47 PM

I'll be excited when there are some verified findings, they've been leaking hints that they might have data that suggests the Higgs for what, the past year or so now?

Blind Theory · 06-25-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by technomancer

I'll be excited when there are some verified findings, they've been leaking hints that they might have data that suggests the Higgs for what, the past year or so now?

There have been many premature declarations of discovery for the Higgs Boson in the past. Not just this past year. As with everything it is trial and error until success but the Higgs Boson isn't exactly like learning how to kickflip a skateboard. Skepticism here is a very good idea. I seriously hope this is true. Words could not describe how cool it would be to witness a scientific discovery of this magnitude in my lifetime. I feel it would be equal to what bystanders must have felt when Einstein came out with Relativity or something.

Grand Moff Tim · 06-25-2012, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Theory

I seriously hope this is true. Words could not describe how cool it would be to witness a scientific discovery of this magnitude in my lifetime. I feel it would be equal to what bystanders must have felt when Einstein came out with Relativity or something.

Which is to say, for the average person, absolutely nothing

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Blind Theory · 06-26-2012, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grand Moff Tim

Which is to say, for the average person, absolutely nothing

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Got me there, Tim.

JPhoenix19 · 06-29-2012, 09:56 PM

wtf, I don't understand any of this...

...sorcery.

Blind Theory · 06-29-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhoenix19

wtf, I don't understand any of this...

...sorcery.

The Higgs Boson can be thought of like a pool that particles have passed through. In theory the Higgs is a sort of field that particles pass through to give them their mass as we see it. There is more to it than that but that is the easiest way to explain it.

Mexi · 07-02-2012, 03:48 PM

God particle is 'found': Scientists at Cern expected to announce Higgs boson particle has been discovered on Wednesday | Mail Online

looks like this is shaping up to be true!

Jakke · 07-02-2012, 03:48 PM

Chickenhawk · 07-02-2012, 05:15 PM

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Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider are expected to say they are 99.99 per cent certain it has been found - which is known as 'four sigma' level.

Quote:

However, the two groups, CMS and ATLAS, are expected to stop short of confirming its existence.

Jakke · 07-02-2012, 05:19 PM

It's really that they will say that they are pretty damn sure that they have found it, but they won't say that they are completely sure that they have found it.

Science!

steve1 · 07-02-2012, 05:43 PM

I suppose this is one of those circumstances where 99.99% isn't quite enough. Is 100% even possible in science though? Never being 100% is what drives the scientific world.

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bob123 Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,282 Thanked: 48 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	This will be the 40th time they've "discovered" it. When they get everything down on paper, I'll start believing them.

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Blind Theory SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: United States Posts: 718 Thanked: 14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	While it would be cool, I am highly skeptical. There was a thread earlier this year I believe stating the same thing and nothing came of it. I personally don't believe we have the technology to accurately detect some of these things yet. It's not to say we won't but I don't think we are there yet. If this turns out to be legit it will open a TON of doors and yes, they will definitely be booking a ticket to Stockholm.

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steve1 ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: uk Posts: 597 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I suppose this is one of those circumstances where 99.99% isn't quite enough. Is 100% even possible in science though? Never being 100% is what drives the scientific world.

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