KKK "White-People Only" flyers sent out. Stay classy, North Carolina

[Mordacain]

Originally Posted by Odinvader

Considering the state directly opposes racism outside that related to speech, you're just being really sensitive. You can tell them to .... off, ignore them, move, put in earphones, or whatever. It's not like you are in danger, unless, of course, you were in a high crime area. That wouldn't be surprising, because Atlanta is a high-crime and overall cluttered and dirty city.

The point is that people obviously DO care about racism or they wouldn't bother saying racist shit. Its not about ignoring it or being sensitive to it. Racism is still prevalent; ignoring it as you suggest isn't going to make it go away anymore than engaging it in is.

[Odinvader]

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

If you buy his music/merch then yes you are

LOL. Now you are just grasping at straws, because I unraveled your argument. You should have done the smart thing and conceded. I don't, by the way.

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

have you heard his blog?

I don't enjoy blogs, so no.

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

You're fuelling him with cash.

You said "if" earlier, and now you are making blind assumptions. Were you convincing yourself while you were writing? Someone wasn't taught the meaning of persuasive writing.... The persuasion is meant for the reader, not the writer.

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

The fact that you think its ok to give him money says enough.

Well, I've already addressed this, so...


Basically, your righteous indignation reeks of misery that you'd like to spread upon others who actually don't care. You're wasting your time, especially considering your logic sucks and you can't convince anyone.

Originally Posted by Mordacain

ignoring it as you suggest isn't going to make it go away anymore than engaging it in is.

If you're trying to urge me to join some socio-political struggle against racism, count me out. I live in an area where I'm a racial minority, and I'm just fine without the white knight crowd protecting me from evil social ills.

[athawulf]

I think its fine to buy his merch and albums, I really enjoy the music. We had a nice discussion about this in another racism thread. I also said there that I'd buy a michael jackson album without supporting pedophilia though (if he was guilty).

And he's admitted himself there is no NS themes in his BM.

[Odinvader]

Originally Posted by athawulf

And he's admitted himself there is no NS themes in his BM.

Well obviously, some people on this forum don't read before engaging in morally bloviated diatribe, so I don't think telling them is going to help. But what the hell, it doesn't hurt to try...

Anyway, it's cool to see another Burzum fan.

[Mordacain]

Originally Posted by Odinvader

If you're trying to urge me to join some socio-political struggle against racism, count me out. I live in an area where I'm a racial minority, and I'm just fine without the white knight crowd protecting me from evil social ills.

How did you get that sentiment from any of my posts? You said racism doesn't matter anymore, I disagreed with that statement.

I'm literally just amazed you never experienced enough racism directly or indrectly while living in the south to make you think that racism magically stopped affecting people going about their day to day lives.

[Odinvader]

Originally Posted by Mordacain

I'm literally just amazed you never experienced enough racism directly or indrectly while living in the south

Um... good for you? I don't share your excitement for the mundane.

Originally Posted by Mordacain

How did you get that sentiment from any of my posts?

Well, it is kind of hard to get the right sentiment from your post, since you ....ed up the end of your sentence here:

Originally Posted by Mordacain

Racism is still prevalent; ignoring it as you suggest isn't going to make it go away anymore than engaging it in is.

I assume you meant "in it", instead of "it in". Otherwise, you added an extra word, which is less probable. I went with the more probable and concluded what I did via simple logic:

ignoring it = not doing anything/not caring
engaging in it = promoting/engaging in racism

The only other alternative is to fight racism, and I said no. Tell me where I'm wrong.

[Explorer]

So... denies there is racism in Atlanta.

Doesn't mind giving money to someone who is deeply racist, as indicated by... hold on a second while I easily grab a random piece of his writing... "...they too are working for a de-construction of all nations on Earth, and to build a global Hebrew temple, enslaving us all under the will of the Jews... ."

I could be wrong, but I suspect that the same reasoning which can justify ignoring racism in one context is being used to justify ignoring racism in another. Knowing that he doesn't like Jews will probably have no effect on some people's buying habits, because they could give two shits about how some subhumans are treated.

Because, if they did, they would change those habits.

I'm gonna have to fix something here.

Originally Posted by Odinvader

more concerned with:

1 - wake up
2 - go to work
3 - go home
4 - watch tv
5 - sleep

Sometimes, 4 and 5 can be replaced by "hard liquor" and "sleep with stranger", but there isn't much outside of fun and work. Political activism is pretty low on my list --trust me, I know.

I'm pretty sure we do too, now that the post has been fixed to be more accurate.

There is definitely one thing which works, without even needing to get political though: public opprobrium.

The difference between that and racism, of course, is that opprobrium is because of one's actions, and not because of one's race. It's entirely up to the person who is choosing any given behavior.

Sorry to be so direct, but sometimes one has to do that when dealing with racism. If you feel I've made a personal attack, as opposed to drawing fair conclusions from what you've posted, you can always report my post.

[Necris]

Just in case noone wanted to believe Varg was actually a racist here's a nice passage from Vargsmal, a book he wrote in 1994.
The Chapter it is from is titled "The Clean Blood - Humanity's Last Chance"

We have dawdled race hygiene research and discovered proof that race blending is harmful to offspring. The race hygiene institute in Oslo was taken down after the second World War and all research results were destroyed because they were "Nazis". A fraction of the work were not destroyed. We know that race blending is harmful to mankind or more correct - those that made an effort to understand race hygiene found this out. The others life in disbelief that it isn't harmful to blend races. Those who study anatomy also understand race blending is harmful for humanity - they ought to, at any rate, understand it.

From the Chapter titled "The Real Racists"

There are many so called anti-racists who actively fight against "racism" but what is actually what they fight against, and doesn't this make them racist themselves? They plead against intolerance and prejudice. Yes I am totally intolerant of foreign cultured people, they have nothing to do here. But my intolerance is at the expense of foreign people and not our own! I don't tolerate foreigners that come here and destroy our people, with narcotics, venereal disease, race mixing, rape of our women! If we can spare a Norwegian woman from being raped by exile or certain death or taking the life of ten thousand foreigners than yes I believe that we shall do it! Yes, absolutely.

There is also a chapter titled "A Little More Race Hygiene".
Rather than continue quoting, here's the whole goddamn book: http://www.feastofhateandfear.com/archives/vargs.html

But feel free to believe that by buying his albums you aren't financially supporting a racist if that makes you feel better.

[Stealthdjentstic]

Omg, an avatar change

[Explorer]

In case anyone here ever really makes the case that racism is gone... it's always interesting when it can't help but be noticed, isn't it?

Avatar change = win.

[TRENCHLORD]

[athawulf]

Originally Posted by Necris

Just in case noone wanted to believe Varg was actually a racist here's a nice passage from Vargsmal, a book he wrote in 1994.
The Chapter it is from is titled "The Clean Blood - Humanity's Last Chance"

From the Chapter titled "The Real Racists"

There is also a chapter titled "A Little More Race Hygiene".
Rather than continue quoting, here's the whole goddamn book: VARGSMAL

But feel free to believe that by buying his albums you aren't financially supporting a racist if that makes you feel better.

You're not reading what we said. Nobody doubts that he is racist, yet there is still no racism in his music- the themes are not NSBM at all. I'm listening to a music created by a racist, which is different from racist music. I'm not going to go on a crusade investigating every member of my favorite bands to make sure they agree with me on everything, I'd have very little music left to enjoy.

[Stealthdjentstic]

Nobody denied that, how can you not see how giving money to someone who believes jews are controlling the world is a bad thing?

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by athawulf

You're not reading what we said. Nobody doubts that he is racist, yet there is still no racism in his music- the themes are not NSBM at all. I'm listening to a music created by a racist, which is different from racist music. I'm not going to go on a crusade investigating every member of my favorite bands to make sure they agree with me on everything, I'd have very little music left to enjoy.

Fair point.

I never really understood why a peron's personal life has anything to do with how you interact with them based on how they've presented themselves to you. In other words, the person didn't put out an album asking you to be their friend. They just want you to listen to their music. If the music has a bunch of hateful lyrics then I could see where you might find fault with a person, but if they--in their PERSONAL life--do things you don't agree with, I don't see how that has anything to do with his/her job which in this case would be making music.

I can see the point of funding someone who doesn't believe the same as you but that could be the case in a number of other ways as well. Unless you're funding an underground movement to act on those feelings I don't really see the problem.

I have even been "friends" with SEVERAL people I've known to be a racist. At least, they seemed to have a rather racist attitude toward others that share my year-round tan. It didn't stop me for being respectful and even helpful when the opportunity arose under the pretense that they were to show me a certain level of my respect to my face if nothing else. I can't control what's done when I'm not around.

Although it can it undoubtedly hit much closer to home, I don't see shunning someone for not liking a group of people as being any different from shunning someone for believing differently from you in some other area. I can see the difference in the way it might affect someone internally, though. But I honestly enjoy watching a racist pull his/her foot out of his/her mouth when they realize I'm ....ing delightful.

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

Nobody denied that, how can you not see how giving money to someone who believes jews are controlling the world is a bad thing?

I'm not exactly sure if you're being serious or not...

[Scar Symmetry]

Originally Posted by TRENCHLORD

I find myself siding with the black guy. .... the white guys, I wouldn't blink if those two were eliminated.

[Randy]

Originally Posted by TRENCHLORD

What's your point? Is this in direct response to something somebody else said in here or are you just making some kind of passive-aggressive blanket statement that the KKK are right to hate black people because black people think white people should be exterminated?

[Necris]

Originally Posted by athawulf

You're not reading what we said. Nobody doubts that he is racist, yet there is still no racism in his music- the themes are not NSBM at all. I'm listening to a music created by a racist, which is different from racist music. I'm not going to go on a crusade investigating every member of my favorite bands to make sure they agree with me on everything, I'd have very little music left to enjoy.

I'm aware there is no racism in his lyrics and no-one is asking you to "investigate every member of your favorite bands" however in the case of Burzum/Varg his views are so well known, so out in the open that very little research on your part is required. If you choose to buy his music anyway you aren't merely turning a blind eye to his views you're willingly financially supporting a racist. No amount of mental gymnastics you can do will change that.

[Konfyouzd]

^ In all fairness, if it's something that wasn't in his lyrics, despite how well known his views are, there are ppl in the world who still would never know--myself included.

Most of the time I don't even know what the ppl in the band look like much less their names or opinion on ANYTHING, ya know?

I don't see it as turning a blind eye necessarily, I just don't care and/or would rather not know if I like what I hear from the person musically. To me it's similar to how you don't really wanna know about the people your significant other has dated bc you don't want to ruin a good thing with thoughts of things unrelated/no longer important. Likewise, if I think the music is good, I don't really look to understand an artist as a person bc I know we all have the capacity to be ....heads (some bigger than others) and I simply think the artistic side of it outweighs any butthurtedness I might feel toward someone not agreeing with me being born a certain way. I can't sweat the shit I can't change.

[TRENCHLORD]

Originally Posted by Randy

What's your point? Is this in direct response to something somebody else said in here or are you just making some kind of passive-aggressive blanket statement that the KKK are right to hate black people because black people think white people should be exterminated?

Just using the vid to demonstrate how far we have to go, and to the extent that racism does still exist from all sides directed in all directions.

Like it or not, when it comes down to the specific black/white thing, there is a double standard in the level of accountability our cultural and political leaders exude.

We all know that there are ignorant nobody whites that hate blacks as a whole, and their are also plenty of no-name blacks that hold whites responsible for their every hardship and failure.

What's most troubling to me is when cultural leaders and politicians engage in hate speech and hate thinking out loud.
Sean and Allen were both right to call this guy out for his absolutely mindless blabber and failure to admit that calling for the extermination of whites is no better than what the clan was doing 50yrs ago.

We all know damned well that following or supporting the KKK is wrong because they are an inflaming, damaging, and generally jack-assed group of thugs.

So why is it the Black Panthers, who have been shown time and time again to be on the side of violence and hate towards whites, why are they not shunned by the media, society, and blacks to the same degree as the clan, or shunned to any degree for that matter?

Great job FOX for not being afraid to present the Black Panthers and to let them show their own ignorance and hate.
KKK and Black Panthers = terrible examples for our youth of any racial background

[renzoip]

Originally Posted by TRENCHLORD

You know what? I actually think the BPP member did good in refusing to answer the question that the hosts were asking. Because the whole purpose behind that interview was to set him up into a trap in order to undermine a bigger problem. So, even if it may appear illogical, I think he was smart enough to expose their double standards and not to play their games. I also think he has a point when he says that they are putting a man in the hot seat and then holding what he says against him. Also, they fail to give us any context for what the former professor said. I'd like to hear what these fox news bigots would say if they were in the hot seat. I laugh at their attempt to be the voice of reason.

Also, individual bigotry and institutionalized racism are not the same. Both are bad, but personal prejudice and systemic disempowerment of minorities come from different starting points. Racism against "whites" is only a reaction to institutionalized racism and is rooted in resentment for past and present injustices; it does not suggest that "whites" are inherently inferior as a "race", nor does it try to use pseudo scientific or moralistic arguments to justify the exploitation or segregation or disempowerment of "white people".

One can (and should IMO) be against all forms of racism and bigotry, but arguing that the KKK and the NBPP are two sides of the same coin is inaccurate, and reactionary.

[TRENCHLORD]

Black Panthers have been preaching white hate for decades, and KKK have been preaching black hate for even longer.
Doesn't matter which sides of which coins and other termonology rubbish.
They both suck ass.

It's ignorant hypocrisy to condemm one, and then cover for the other.

[Necris]

I... agree with TRENCHLORD.

[renzoip]

Originally Posted by TRENCHLORD

Black Panthers have been preaching white hate for decades, and KKK have been preaching balck hate for even longer.
Doesn't matter which sides of which coins and other termonology rubbish.
They both suck ass.

It's ignorant hypocrisy to condemm one, and then cover for the other.

No, it is called a double standard. Condemning both while acknowledging their differences is not the same as apologizing for one or another. They both suck ass, as you mentioned. But that does not mean that the history and the material conditions that facilitated the emergence of black nationalism are rubbish, unless you are taking the reductionist "color-blind" approach, which puts the burden on the victim rather than on the oppressor.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

I never really understood why a peron's personal life has anything to do with how you interact with them based on how they've presented themselves to you. In other words, the person didn't put out an album asking you to be their friend. They just want you to listen to their music. If the music has a bunch of hateful lyrics then I could see where you might find fault with a person, but if they--in their PERSONAL life--do things you don't agree with, I don't see how that has anything to do with his/her job which in this case would be making music.

...Although it can it undoubtedly hit much closer to home, I don't see shunning someone for not liking a group of people as being any different from shunning someone for believing differently from you in some other area.

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but here's the deal: If someone were to call anyone I was involved with a n***er in their private life, I have no problem not supporting them or their famililies by buying their music, no matter now great that music is. There's too many other artists out there who aren't calling my partner a n***er who are doing great music.

And, regarding the second point, I don't shun anyone who just has a different point of view from me. I only avoid people who want to deny the humanity of those I know and care about.

@athawulf: You don't have to do the research. However, now you *know* Varg is racist. At this point you can either decide that such things are completely acceptable to you and that you'll give your money to someone to smoeone who is deeply antisemitic, or that you don't want to give your money to someone like that.

To put it a different way: If you loved a restaurant where you found out the owner, the person earning money from your patronage, would talk about your partner's race like "....in' n***ers" or "....in' crackers" or other such terms... would you be all about "Well, honey, I don't see why *I* have to stop going there just because you're a little sensitive?" *laugh*

----

There are great differences between the KKK and the Black Panthers. The KKK has historically targeted blacks for violence and intimidation due to their race, often with support of police and politicians in their areas.

The Black Pantehrs have historically defended blacks from violence and intimidation due to their race, from police and politicians in their area.

Weirdly enough, it seems like the agressors in both cases were whites intimidating and attacking blacks.

Going further with the differences, the Panthers eventually went to socialism without racial exclusivity. Maybe I got confused since this topic started, but I thought it was about white power to the detriment of blacks and other races.

There are no equivalents to the Klan donning anonymous robes, burning crosses to intimidate blacks, and lynching/killing blacks... as least as far as I'm aware. However, I'm always ready to learn how the Klan and the Panthers are exactly the same thing. Could someone post examples of such?

And, if one can't then, the one might think twice about saying they are equivalent, no?