Anyone seen Thrive - new documentary ?

[tuneinrecords]

2 hour plus documentary called Thrive just came out on the 11th of the Nov.

Ok for years I thought I was going crazy because everyone in my life thought I was off the deep end. I've read books, watched movies, heard speakers and professionals talking about it. I've always had an open mind and wondered if maybe it was too open and I was wrong. This movie is the best so far at putting the pieces together. My heros in life used to be musicians and they still are to a degree but over the last 5 years my heros have become Nassim Haramein, Graham Hancock, David Wilcock, David Icke, Art Bell, Jordan Maxwell and the like.

Anyway this movie delves into the construct of reality, free energy, control of information, food, medicine and ultimately all of us and much much more. A lot of it I have been aware of, but like I said this movie really brings it all together in a very eloquent fashion with great computer graphics to drive the point home. I have a very limited number of people in my life who I can talk to about this stuff. I would love to hear opinions and thoughts. I don't want to precipitate hateful bashing and name calling etc.. just a healthy exchange of ideas, opinions etc... even if there are opposing viewpoints.

[Jakke]

Any movie that gives Chopra any kind of credibility is terrible in my book, because if the filmer has not managed to see Chopra as the quack he is, how is he/she supposed see other things critically?

I am going to see it later, but right now it looks like I have to break out my tin-foil hat first....


Regarding free energy, there is no such thing as a free lunch. That's just how it is. There is no conspiracy, you just can't go against the laws of physics (aren't they a bitch), matter cannot be created.


*EDIT* I just saw that you tagged David Icke.... If he is in a documentary in any other function that to illustrate paranoid psychosis, then I'm probably right in my previous assessment. But I'm gonna watch it

[tuneinrecords]

Free energy does exist. Watch the movie. You obviously have your mind made up already. Get back to me after you watch it.

[Jakke]

Double post.

[Jakke]

Ok, something that the elite of physisists say doesn't exist, but you (without credentials) and a bunch of conspiracy theorists say do...

No, free energy can't exist under our laws of physics, you can't create energy!
But I'm sure it is going to be possible if enough people just make movies about it...


David Icke claims extra-terrestial lizards rules the world secretly, and that the Bush family is among them... That is mental illness.

[tuneinrecords]

But the laws of physics are flawed and just look to see who runs the schools where all these highly credited physicists got their ideas from. It's the same thing in the medical industry. The pharmacy big boys teach the DR's how to treat and not cure diseases. I love how everyone pulls out the "oh you conspiracy people" and David Icke lizard schtick. That negates everything else he has said? I'm sure you use the lizard thing as an excuse to discredit all the other amazing research he has reported on. Explain the rest of the story, not just the easy to poke fun of, ridicule campaign cliched defense. Ever hear of Nikola Tesla? He had the free energy thing down in the late 1800's and the buried him because JP Morgan knew he couldn't make money it. Pioneers in the field of free energy have been murdered as well. Ever hear of Royal Raymond Rife? Same story. He cured cancer in the 1930's and they buried him too. Do the research.

[Hemi-Powered Drone]

I'm just not going to say anything as it's painfully clear you choose to deny basic physical constraints.

[Jakke]

And they are out to get you!

The video has been removed, so I will have to refute what I can, which is free energy. It's a shame, I looked forward to see it . I admire Tesla highly, but he never got around to free energy, why? Because it is not possible under our physical laws, I have to repeat that over and over it seems. How is even our physical laws flawed?

That you cannot create energy is very easily visualized with an experiment, take a weight, bind it to the end of a piece of string. Now set in motion, what happens with the pendulum?
It slowly stops, that is because the energy of position it had when you held it is transformed to kinetic energy when it moves, which is converted into energy of friction against the air, that escapes as friction heat.

Now if energy was able to be created, wouldn't the pendulum speed up then?
The temperature of boiling water in amospheric pressure cannot be rased above 100 degrees celsius, because of the first law, if energy could be created, water could boil to 1000 degrees if you just left it on the stove long enough!
If energy could be created, spontanious self-combustion wouldn't be the stuff of myths.
But, it's against the first law of thermodynamics!

The first man who formulated the laws of thermodynamics was Rudolf Clausius, who died in 1888, but I guess he was in on the conspiracy as well?

I would say Icke's lizard idea negates everything else he says, because if he is not a clear enough thinker to see the unreasonable implications of that, how can he be trusted to do any other serious research?


And how, may I ask, was cancer cured in the 1930's?

[K3V1N SHR3DZ]

Sounds like someone needs CARL SAGAN'S BALONEY DETECTION KIT
Also, RationalWiki is pretty good for debunking.

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by kgad0831

Sounds like someone needs CARL SAGAN'S BALONEY DETECTION KIT
Also, RationalWiki is pretty good for debunking.

BUT THEY ARE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!! FOLLOW THE MONEY! FOLLOOOW THE MOOONEY!!!!


Rationalwiki is great, quackwatch.org is also great for more health-related debunking

[Hemi-Powered Drone]

Originally Posted by tuneinrecords

But the laws of physics are flawed and just look to see who runs the schools where all these highly credited physicists got their ideas from. It's the same thing in the medical industry. The pharmacy big boys teach the DR's how to treat and not cure diseases. I love how everyone pulls out the "oh you conspiracy people" and David Icke lizard schtick. That negates everything else he has said? I'm sure you use the lizard thing as an excuse to discredit all the other amazing research he has reported on. Explain the rest of the story, not just the easy to poke fun of, ridicule campaign cliched defense. Ever hear of Nikola Tesla? He had the free energy thing down in the late 1800's and the buried him because JP Morgan knew he couldn't make money it. Pioneers in the field of free energy have been murdered as well. Ever hear of Royal Raymond Rife? Same story. He cured cancer in the 1930's and they buried him too. Do the research.

[citation needed]

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by dragonblade629

[citation needed]

Indeed.

[hereticemir]

since i don't want to watch the movie could you give an example. just want to entertain what have to say

[tuneinrecords]

Originally Posted by dragonblade629

[citation needed]

As requested -

Has anyone here ever heard of Nassim Haramein or any of his ground breaking research? He is literally rewriting physics.

[tuneinrecords]

Originally Posted by Jakke

And they are out to get you!


And how, may I ask, was cancer cured in the 1930's?

Resonance and frequency. It's like when an opera singer hits the resonant frequency of a wine glass and shatters it. You can do the same thing with cells. Bacteria and funguses for example can be removed from the body this way. You basically rupture the cell. Royal Raymond Rife did this successfully in the 1930's with terminal cancer patients. It's the truth. You just won't hear about it through your doctor because a doctor will lose his license to practice medicine if he uses this technology.

[tuneinrecords]

The fact that EVERYTHING spins is never explained in physics. How about that? That can't explain it. Doesn't that strike you as odd? How can that be? Nassim Haramein explains it. His unified field theory is so much more elegant and simple.

[tuneinrecords]

Originally Posted by Jakke

BUT THEY ARE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!! FOLLOW THE MONEY! FOLLOOOW THE MOOONEY!!!!


Rationalwiki is great, quackwatch.org is also great for more health-related debunking

EXACTLY. Follow the money!!!!

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by tuneinrecords

EXACTLY. Follow the money!!!!

Yeah, in this case it points to Icke, Chopra and their likes. You don't think they do this out of charity, do you?
See, it works both ways, those guys have earned millions upon millions on their "science".
Of course they are interested in maintaining that the conspiracy is after you/them/everyone, otherwise Icke won't sell any books, and Chopra cannot continue to adulter real science.

[tuneinrecords]

For anyone who didn't get to see Thrive - Here is another link to the movie if the last one doesn't work anymore.

[tuneinrecords]

Originally Posted by Jakke

Yeah, in this case it points to Icke, Chopra and their likes. You don't think they do this out of charity, do you?
See, it works both ways, those guys have earned millions upon millions on their "science".
Of course they are interested in maintaining that the conspiracy is after you/them/everyone, otherwise Icke won't sell any books, and Chopra cannot continue to adulter real science.

You can't shoot somebody for supporting themselves through their research. The fact that someone makes money doesn't negate their message. How else can they have the time to do their research? The fact that so many people have bought their books and gone to see them speak is a testament to what they're saying.

When I say follow the money, I mean follow it to the people who have a monopoly on our medical, education, media, and energy. Yeah it's that wide. Follow the money.

I couldn't be happier that Icke and Chopra are successful. More power to them.

[tuneinrecords]

Originally Posted by Jakke

BUT THEY ARE PART OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!! FOLLOW THE MONEY! FOLLOOOW THE MOOONEY!!!!


Rationalwiki is great, quackwatch.org is also great for more health-related debunking

Yeah, about your Quackwatch...... BUSTED!!

Homeopathy Critic Stephen Barrett and Quackwatch Busted - Wellsphere

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by tuneinrecords

You can't shoot somebody for supporting themselves through their research. The fact that someone makes money doesn't negate their message. How else can they have the time to do their research? The fact that so many people have bought their books and gone to see them speak is a testament to what they're saying.

When I say follow the money, I mean follow it to the people who have a monopoly on our medical, education, media, and energy. Yeah it's that wide. Follow the money.

I couldn't be happier that Icke and Chopra are successful. More power to them.

So it is okay to be sceptical when some people earn money, but not others?
Just so we are on the same page here...


Mr Icke, a man who also, I have checked now, believes that the moon is a starship, piloted by earlier mentioned reptilians. He frequently associates with characters involved in the Klan and other fringe right groups, this man is not someone to admire, let alone listen to.
Chopra, a man that has a philosophy that he tricks rich western people with, which is rejected by the entire medical establishment (but oh yeah, they are all pert of the conspiracy, right? How convenient...). He has no basis in science, and I, as a physical chemist, cringes everytime he uses the word "quantum" to fool people that he has some sort of scientific basis, and that it is not just something he pulled out of his behind and thinks it sounds good.

Have you realized that these sort of conspiracy theorists never has any viable, solid proof for their claims? They toss out accusations, and when people in power refuses to comment, they take it as a confession (as the british royal family refuses to comment on them being reptilians from outer space).
They fold dollar bills to get some interesting shapes that irrefutably proves that the new world order (the jews) are out to get them. Or when everything else fails, they resort to the book of revelations, a piece of scripture that can, due to it's vague nature, be made to fit any scenario imaginable.

But you are right, there is a conspiracy. It is these people that conspire to get your money, your attention, and your time. There is no world-wide consiracy, so they had to invent one themselves. Sadly, people are buying it....

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by tuneinrecords

Yeah, about your Quackwatch...... BUSTED!!

Homeopathy Critic Stephen Barrett and Quackwatch Busted - Wellsphere

Again, ask yourself: Who is relaying this information?


In this case, a website that advocates homeopathy (bullshit with a different name). I'd take that information with a truckload of salt...

[tuneinrecords]

Originally Posted by Jakke

Again, ask yourself: Who is relaying this information?


In this case, a website that advocates homeopathy (bullshit with a different name). I'd take that information with a truckload of salt...

Wow, really? You explained yourself in that one statement about homeopathy. I can tell it's not even worth carrying on a discussion with you. I'm sure you've done a ton of research into homeopathy and have all kinds of proof that it's "bullshit." Do yourself a favor and stop wasting other people's time with your name calling and posts that have no validation or support. In the future you might do yourself a favor and actually look into the things you're trying to discredit. God forbid, you open your mind up and learn something worth repeating.

[Overtone]

You guys couldn't be more different... the whole idea of these people is that conventional thinking, conventional science, etc. doesn't work, so of course conventional science won't have anything good to say about them... they don't follow their system! The thing is, science has never known everything, and there are occasionally times when something is learned because science and reality are incongruent. It takes both sides to achieve that knowledge... those who push new ideas, and those who scrutinize them. Whenever something is dismissed because established findings don't match up, someone is missing the point! People have been smart for a long time, and old societies managed to do things that our best scientists, doctors, crafts people and builders can't replicate, so it's not out of the question that some alternative theories actually work... we don't know everything.