Congress: Pizza is a Vegetable

[highlordmugfug]

You guys are so far off topic.


Pizza is not a vegetable.[/thread]

[Xaios]

All I know is, when it comes to having excess levels of certain metals in my body, better safe than sorry...

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Adam Of Angels

I know you love to attack me, but leave it be, because you're not even doing a good job.

A guy hears on his car radio that there is a car going the wrong way on the freeway. "*One* car? Everyone's going the wrong way but me!"

It's not an attack on you. It's that you're making assertions which are not correct. I'm not the only one who's been pointing out where you're going wrong.

You keep insisting on certain things, and although others point out where you're mistaken, you're not able to read it and understand. That's sad, but if you ultimately want to make it about you being attacked, instead of a learning opportunity, that's up to you.

On the plus side, there is an excellent system here for reporting when there are personal attacks happening. Be sure to hit that "exclamation point" button if you feel anyone is engaging in personal attacks, even if it's me. The mods will take care of it, if it actually is a personal attack.

Cheers!

[Adam Of Angels]

I said that Calbom's juice program doesn't require any products of her own, and you go on to link me to a list of products she sells, as if you were somehow disproving my point. Then you make the post above this one

I've made no assertions that are false. I've made assertions that you don't like, for whatever reason, but nothing I've said is false or even controversial. Like I said - read the book I mentioned (by the way: Cherie Calbom has a PHD in Nutrition - *edit: a Master of science in whole food nutrition, rather* - and maybe other things, though I can't remember. You asked for a credible source, and so I gave you one).

Are you convinced that your digestion can NOT become sluggish over time under any circumstances?

[Necris]

Originally Posted by highlordmugfug

You guys are so far off topic.


Pizza is not a vegetable.[/thread]

No. We've clearly established that, if anything, pizza is a fruit.

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by Necris

No. We've clearly established that, if anything, pizza is a fruit.

Heretic! Everyone knows that pizza is leguminous vegetable

[Adam Of Angels]

I helped my grandmother plant pizza this spring. Plus, my congress knows best.

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by Jakke

Heretic! Everyone knows that pizza is leguminous vegetable

Don't they occupy the same space in the food pyramid anyway?

Apparently now so does pizza. So vegans can eat it now, right? Bc Congress says so.

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

Don't they occupy the same space in the food pyramid anyway?

Apparently now so does pizza. So vegans can eat it now, right? Bc Congress says so.

Probably...

And I haven't thought about it that way! It should be okay for vegans, it is a vegetable after all

[Necris]

Does that make the milk that makes the cheese a vegetable as well? By that logic are cows plants?

[Konfyouzd]

Originally Posted by Necris

Does that make the milk that makes the cheese a vegetable as well? By that logic are cows plants?

You are what you eat...?

I think we're onto something here. Get Obama on the line.

[Necris]

I'm starting a new group. Cannibalistic Plants for the Ethical Treatment of Cannibalistic Plants.

[synrgy]

Only semi-OT (I saw some bits about flour, blah blah blah), I just wanted to say that the day a doctor tells me I can't eat pasta any more will be the day I punch a doctor in the face.

[Konfyouzd]

I don't think I've ever heard you mention punching anyone in the face before. Pasta = surrious biznizz...

[synrgy]

Maternal side of my family is Italian. We basically have yeast in our bloodstream.

[Necris]

Originally Posted by Adam Of Angels

I said that Calbom's juice program doesn't require any products of her own, and you go on to link me to a list of products she sells, as if you were somehow disproving my point. Then you make the post above this one

I've made no assertions that are false. I've made assertions that you don't like, for whatever reason, but nothing I've said is false or even controversial. Like I said - read the book I mentioned (by the way: Cherie Calbom has a PHD in Nutrition - *edit: a Master of science in whole food nutrition, rather* - and maybe other things, though I can't remember. You asked for a credible source, and so I gave you one).

Are you convinced that your digestion can NOT become sluggish over time under any circumstances?

I don't think anyone is claiming that the digestive system cannot become slower over time. However I also don't believe think a Masters Degree or PHD makes one infallible. In fact if anything it may make those unfamiliar with the subject more likely to accept baseless claims and erroneous information as facts.

You try mainly consuming juice for a few days and NOT losing weight. Then assume that the book you've just read is telling you that the weight you've just lost is toxins leaving your body. If ANY of this had any basis in fact everyone would be doing it and it would show lasting results every time.

[Konfyouzd]

Well the digestive track slowing down over time seems to be the way of things in general, no? Isn't that what Metamucil is for?

[Adam Of Angels]

Ok.... I give a credible source, and it's no good. And I'm stupid.

Read the book, or drop it.

[highlordmugfug]

Originally Posted by Necris

I'm starting a new group. Cannibalistic Plants for the Ethical Treatment of Cannibalistic Plants.

CP ET CP

[synrgy]

There was some lady my Mom and one of her friends interacted with once or twice who used to like to talk about flushing toxins from one's body. She actually made the claim - and I'm dead serious, here - that everyone's eyes are naturally blue, and that if one has non-blue eyes it is because their body is full of toxins/shit.

I have blue eyes so I don't care either way, but I definitely harbor a different opinion of just whom exactly in that situation was full of shit.

[Necris]

Originally Posted by Adam Of Angels

Ok.... I give a credible source, and it's no good. And I'm stupid.

Read the book, or drop it.

Are we in the same thread? Questioning the validity of these claims and their factual basis isn't the same as calling someone stupid. Your source is selling books that are the equivalent of any other fad diet with the only apparent difference being she has a Masters Degree backing hers. And no-one in this thread has called you stupid.

If I or another user were to read the book and come to the conclusion that it were a total crock of shit would you accept our viewpoint or would you just think that we were biased against the idea from the beginning and therefore could come to no other conclusion?

Feel free to keep deflecting reasonable questions but it's not helping your case.

[Adam Of Angels]

There's no doubt that a lot of people talking about that stuff don't know what they're talking about. It certainly doesn't mean that's the case for all of them.

[USMarine75]

Sorry AoA, but I gotta agree with Jakke and Explorer on this one... I've been to a ton of medical conferences (both me and my wife have assorted medical degrees/postdoc from Harvard, tufts, and Creighton so we are authorities in this field not just BS'ing/trolling you) and detox is at the very top of the "tinfoil hat" list. I have never met a doctor or a real researcher that believes in it. Most doctors I know get angry when you even mention it because the whole concept is so frought with error.

[The only equivalent that comes to mind is trying to convince a guitar player that the Rolling Stones Top 100 Guitarist list is credible (or a Guitar World Fastest Player poll)...]

In fact, I remember detox being used as THE example of bad science in one of my research methodology classes. Another was from that nutbag Kevin Trudeau that sets medicine back 100 years every time he ghost writes a POS book.

I dont mean to sound like a dick (although most people will tell you I am), but the problem is that most people just arent familair with concepts like the scientific method, validity, post hoc ergo propter hoc errors, etc... which is OK if you arent familiar with it. But the issue is when people that aren't familiar with or educated in these terms try and refute or make scientific claims. Its perfectly OK to discuss and inquire and debate, but at some point you have to defer to authorities on the matter. And nutraceutical manufacturers are NOT authorities, nor is anyone that is trying to sell that very product.

As an example... Post hoc errors are the most common reason why people believe in stupid shit like superstitions and nutraceuticals. E.g. You mentioned earlier that because you didnt get sick when you kissed your sick GF that it must be because you have a better/healthy immune system. But, that is baaaad science. Science doesn't work that way. That's why you never hear scientists/researchers ever say that A causes B... you hear terms like strong/weak/no correlation etc... So, if there was any evidence that supported the claim that build up in your colon caused disease I would be interested in seeing it, but so far there has been absolutely none. The same is true for other batshit crazy schemes like altering your blood pH will cure disease (one of Trudeau's claims)... no it won't, but it does have a strong correlation with death lol.



^ OMFG do I hate this smug "the Gov't sensors me" dick BTW... /rant lol

[Adam Of Angels]

The human body never stores toxins?

It deals with stress, bad habits, environmental pollution, and poor diet perfectly well, no matter what the level of severity of exposure to said factors are?

[Jakke]

So, pH-changes eh?



Now where did I put that sulferic acid.....