The dumbass-ery of PETA

[BrianUV777BK]

I'm a member of PETA.

People Eating Tasty Animlas

[Origin]

They fund and teach terrorists and lie with a straight face about stupid shit. Not to mention their leader is a complete self-contradictory .....
I hated this group so, so much before. Then I saw the Penn and Teller episode about them and I foaming-at-the-mouth hated them.

Now this shit...is just kind of ridiculous so I'm a little placated. Still, to hell with them, and with the ALF, and with Greenpeace's more recent forms, forever.
Terrorism and militant, inflammatory crusades are not how you teach compassion.

[vampiregenocide]

I just find it hilarious that they preach preserving the life of animals, and will use violence against people to get their way, however the animals being tested on are being used to save the lives of people. PETA are using the whole 'end justifies the means argument' which is exactly what animal testing facilities use. It makes no sense.

I'm not saying I'm for animal testing, but the hypocrisy overwhelms me.

[K3V1N SHR3DZ]

Originally Posted by Origin

They fund and teach terrorists and lie with a straight face about stupid shit. Not to mention their leader is a complete self-contradictory .....
I hated this group so, so much before. Then I saw the Penn and Teller episode about them and I foaming-at-the-mouth hated them.

Now this shit...is just kind of ridiculous so I'm a little placated. Still, to hell with them, and with the ALF, and with Greenpeace's more recent forms, forever.
Terrorism and militant, inflammatory crusades are not how you teach compassion.

While peta are ....wits, one can NEVER believe Penn and Teller. They're libertarians, for ....'s sake.

[groph]

Originally Posted by kgad0831

While peta are ....wits, one can NEVER believe Penn and Teller. They're libertarians, for ....'s sake.

Do you have a valid criticism of libertarianism, or does bolding the word as if the flaw is obvious a good enough argument nowadays?



I'd like to know how much the meat industry thrives on the suffering of animals IE whether or not it would be a crippling expense to not treat them like shit, or if it wouldn't be much of an expense, rather other taxes and regulations are what's getting in the way. The suffering of animals is another shitty part of living in a capitalist world*, you may oppose a certain practice, but it's the only option you're given. I eat meat because it tastes awesome and it does have nutritional value but I don't like the idea of animals being raised in cages so small they can barely move. I couldn't care less about the fact that we kill and eat animals, that shit happens all the time elsewhere in nature and food animals obviously aren't smart enough to organize a revolt. Still, I don't see why that justifies needless cruelty because as humans we have the capacity to treat things well, at least by our standards, if nothing else for our own peace of mind.

I'd never be a vegetarian or vegan, but I'd advocate eating meat in reasonable portions for health purposes. Food here is abundant so it's not like we need to stock up for the winter any more. The moral issues are a problem for someone else to deal with, I've already picked a problem to work on so opinions are all I have.

Since "PETA" is pretty much synonymous with "completely deranged and unreasonable," I don't have anything new to add. They put animals above humans, as superiors, not equals, they won't allow "pets" but Ingrid Newkirk has several, I don't give a .... what she calls them, they fund violent groups, they want to set back medical research hundreds of years, and they'll degrade women to no end. All while ignoring the worse treatment of humans by other humans.





No, they don't.







*I'm not a commie, calm down.

[K3V1N SHR3DZ]

Originally Posted by groph

Do you have a valid criticism of libertarianism, or does bolding the word as if the flaw is obvious a good enough argument nowadays?

I'm about to go to work, so I'll just copypasta this:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.
Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

It highlights the main logical fallacy in libertarianism, one I used to believe and P&T still do. There are others; mainly the belief in a mythical "free" market and a gross misunderstanding about what government was in the 18th century vs what it is now.

[chronocide]

Originally Posted by groph

I couldn't care less about the fact that we kill and eat animals, that shit happens all the time elsewhere in nature

Well, yes and no. Nothing bar humans farms animals. Indeed humans have only done it for 10% of our existence at the very most.

I say this as a meat-eater, mind. It's just not really a valid argument that eating animals is fine because it happens in nature.

[BigBaldIan]

Originally Posted by chronocide

Nothing bar humans farms animals.

Actually there are other examples of this in nature:

Ants farming aphids and caterpillars, termites as well if I remember correctly, unusual yes, but not confined to humanity.

[ZEBOV]

Originally Posted by groph

The brains weren't labeled...

[groph]

^ ZEBOV IS A ZOMBIE, RUN

[murakami]

Originally Posted by ZEBOV

The brains weren't labeled...

we're talking about woman, right?

[groph]

Originally Posted by kgad0831

I'm about to go to work, so I'll just copypasta this:



It highlights the main logical fallacy in libertarianism, one I used to believe and P&T still do. There are others; mainly the belief in a mythical "free" market and a gross misunderstanding about what government was in the 18th century vs what it is now.

I agree, a truly free market doesn't exist and probably never has, but you can have libertarian socialism. Libertarianism just maintains that liberty is the most important principle. It's associated with a right-wing ultra conservative free market capitalist economy and probably would work the best like that, but I don't see how a certain degree of socialism precludes libertarianism.

(I'm not an expert)

[ZEBOV]

Originally Posted by murakami

we're talking about woman, right?

Yes.... Whether she uses them or not, the brain is there.

[ittoa666]

Their HQ is an hour away from my house. I know what to do.....

Threats aside, I hate them, and this is coming from someone who cares more about animals than people. I don't back extremists that use shock tactics to change opinions.

[Edika]

Originally Posted by groph

I'd eat that!

Insensitive sexual innuendo aside I actually have no opinion about animals or animal rights or if they are possessions or if they have souls. My relationship with animals is I don't bother them, they don't bother me. I am not cruel with animals, I just don't care about them. I found some of them beautiful but I don't want to adopt or take care of one of them. We had cats and dogs in my house but after a while I got annoyed by their presence. It seems to me that most people that have an animal in their house is either for a useful purpose or to fill some emotional voids and not feel lonely. Especially when putting another species over your own species and even start giving human traits to animals (animals good, pure, saints - humans evil, destructive etc) then the emotional/psychological disturbance is even greater. To be clear I am not against people having animals (think about though the reasons why you have them and what traits you assign to them). But I do find sickening to a point people that treat animals like human beings or even worse like children.

Not to derail much the thread PETA sucks. Aside from their crude and vulgar campaigns they focus in only part of the problem as most organizations of the sort do. It's like any group with fanatics, they think they know the truth about everything and everybody else is a moron unless they become enlightened and follow their cause.

[chronocide]

Originally Posted by BigBaldIan

Actually there are other examples of this in nature:

Ants farming aphids and caterpillars, termites as well if I remember correctly, unusual yes, but not confined to humanity.

Well, "farming" is a personifying things a bit. They stop other animals killing them so that they can drink their fluids, don't they?

[Scar Symmetry]

Categorically, by a large margin, the stupidest idea I have ever come across.

[vampiregenocide]

Originally Posted by chronocide

Well, "farming" is a personifying things a bit. They stop other animals killing them so that they can drink their fluids, don't they?

I believe they also transport them. Either way, its as close to farming as you're going to find in nature.

[ShadowFactoryX]

just sound like an outlet of weird fetish porn.

"grisly animal murder and sex?! we're sure to get supporters then"

PETA is nothing but an anal wart of organizations.

[murakami]

Originally Posted by ZEBOV

Yes.... Whether she uses them or not, the brain is there.

you know, i wasn't just talking about pamela anderson

[chronocide]

Originally Posted by vampiregenocide

I believe they also transport them. Either way, its as close to farming as you're going to find in nature.

But isn't farming as we understand it, which was my point

[vampiregenocide]

Originally Posted by chronocide

But isn't farming as we understand it, which was my point

Well nah, they're only ants.

[Wingchunwarrior]

[Blind Theory]

My uncle told me a great story once. It goes something like this:

A guy from his chain of command (USAF) was headed back from work one day when he saw a woman, frantic, on the side of the road. He pulled over thinking her car might be broken down and went to assist. When asked what was wrong, she told him that there was a poor deer stuck in some barbed wire fencing. She pleaded with him to help her free the deer from the fence. He took a look at the deer and realized the extent of the damage was too great at this point to justify leaving it suffer and it needed to be put down or it would die slowly. He went to his truck and got out a gun. He went back to the deer. At this point the woman was hysterical. She absolutely did not want him to shoot the deer. Well, he did. After he shot the deer, the woman started to threaten him with meaningless action. It was at this moment that he found out she was the president of PETA.


Needless to say, this man is a personal hero of mine. I told this story to show my stance on PETA. My stance on PETA.....I want to shoot a deer in front of the president of PETA....because I hate PETA. .... PETA, Eat MEAT!

Edit: Due to neg rep, it has come to my attention that my story might have been offensive..or my final remarks might have been. Either way, get over it. I stand by what I say. .... PETA, eat MEAT!

[murakami]