In related racism news... Rush again coming up with Obama Oreo comments

[Justin Bailey]

Listen, Geddy, Alex nor Neil would ever say anything like... oh, wait, nevermind.

[Captain Shoggoth]

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Meatbucket

Best way to get rid of a bully/troll like Limbaugh is ignoring him. Just stop paying attention to anything he does and he'll just simply vanish.

I disagree.

I don't think it was ignoring the Klan which did them in.

In the same way, it wasn't just enduring the British by which India got rid of the British.

It was community shaming, basically society changing enough to say, "The way you are acting is wrong, and you should be ashamed of yourself." That made people willing to take steps to stop such groups.

As I mentioned, George W. Bush's election team was willing to use fears of a white man having a black love child to knock out John McCain. The lack of uproar about the tactic means that just ignoring the problem isn't enough when there is an entrenched culture. A stronger sign that ignoring that whole n***er-hating culture doesn't work is in the related thread, where the whites decide to kill a black man just due to his race.

I view Rush Limbaugh as part of the same culture.

I understand wanting Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Coulter to just vanish, but they have huge groups of fans who feel that these people are speaking the truth. Leaving their behavior and words out there without any opposition is like say, oh, this politician isn't saying these things in this negative ad aren't true, so they must be real! Many elections have been lost by taking that high road of ignoring this kind of behavior, leaving the liars and hatemongers in power.

Sorry, friend, but I'd rather point out when someone is blatantly hateful, in the hopes that those who think that there is no harm in it will hopefully be willing to say something the next time a hatemonger makes such statements. It is sometimes a short jump from words to actions, and I'd rather break the chain, rather than have events like in the related thread.

Ignoring that culture and allowing it to thrive got that poor man killed, and I personally see that as a negative.

That could just be me, though.

[Meatbucket]

Originally Posted by Explorer

Sorry, friend, but I'd rather point out when someone is blatantly hateful, in the hopes that those who think that there is no harm in it will hopefully be willing to say something the next time a hatemonger makes such statements. It is sometimes a short jump from words to actions, and I'd rather break the chain, rather than have events like in the related thread.

Ignoring that culture and allowing it to thrive got that poor man killed, and I personally see that as a negative.

That could just be me, though.

I wish this would be the case, but it's bound to happen again. Whether it's from Rush, O'Reilly or ....-er. Luckily enough they are all just TV/Radio figureheads who rely on ratings, get enough people to ignore them and their ratings fall, losing their positions. Either way, we're still both in agreement that they are are friken idiots that need to be dealt with. The method of which that happens is the difference.

Edit: The ignoring bit most likely didn't work with the klan or England since they are both larger groups of people. Rush is one guy. Just punch him in the dick and get it over with.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Meatbucket

Just punch him in the dick and get it over with.

Does punching him anywhere ensure you've hit a racist dick?

*laugh*

Rush, O'Reilly and Coulter are indeed only single individuals, but they are part of a larger group, in the same way that Joe McCarthy was one of a large group willing to go after people during the Communist witch hunts. It was a small group of television professionals which decided to take the very real risks of speaking the truth about him, and thereby brought that to an end.

If they really just were airing their own views (which doesn't even seem to be the case, given the earlier commentary on Rush merely airing these views for the profit), there would be no one buying their books or raising their ratings. I believe that they are *not* going broke, so there are large groups who are *not* ignoring them. It's those groups whom I believe are dangerous, and these three, among others, are the figureheads and voices. As they are, and are making money doing it, I think it's important to oppose those groups whose poisonous words are coming out of their mouths.

I do agree, though, that they are idiots, even though they're possibly smarter than I think... because they're making money off the even more ignorant, whether intentionally or not.

[vampiregenocide]

Originally Posted by Explorer

I disagree.

I don't think it was ignoring the Klan which did them in.

In the same way, it wasn't just enduring the British by which India got rid of the British.

It was community shaming, basically society changing enough to say, "The way you are acting is wrong, and you should be ashamed of yourself." That made people willing to take steps to stop such groups.

As I mentioned, George W. Bush's election team was willing to use fears of a white man having a black love child to knock out John McCain. The lack of uproar about the tactic means that just ignoring the problem isn't enough when there is an entrenched culture. A stronger sign that ignoring that whole n***er-hating culture doesn't work is in the related thread, where the whites decide to kill a black man just due to his race.

I view Rush Limbaugh as part of the same culture.

I understand wanting Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Coulter to just vanish, but they have huge groups of fans who feel that these people are speaking the truth. Leaving their behavior and words out there without any opposition is like say, oh, this politician isn't saying these things in this negative ad aren't true, so they must be real! Many elections have been lost by taking that high road of ignoring this kind of behavior, leaving the liars and hatemongers in power.

Sorry, friend, but I'd rather point out when someone is blatantly hateful, in the hopes that those who think that there is no harm in it will hopefully be willing to say something the next time a hatemonger makes such statements. It is sometimes a short jump from words to actions, and I'd rather break the chain, rather than have events like in the related thread.

Ignoring that culture and allowing it to thrive got that poor man killed, and I personally see that as a negative.

That could just be me, though.

Do you view the Westboro Baptist Church in the same way? I'm not picking apart your answer, I'm genuinely interested as I pretty much believe what you're saying here too. Nothing positive has come of someone holding their tongue in cases like this.

[bostjan]

Rush Gasbag said something inflammatory?!

The only reason this got any more attention than usual is because an election is looming.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by bostjan

The only reason this got any more attention than usual is because an election is looming.

Actually, I posted this because of the other thread, where the white people killed the black man based solely on race. I think that racism is worth commenting on in order to shame those who engage in such behavior.

I didn't know that Rush Limbaugh was running. Could you post details?

Or... is the argument that the only reason Rush Limbaugh's racist comments were noticed and commented on is that Rush is trying to affect the election, like Rove and Bush did with McCain?

Hopefully the case isn't that Rush was just innocently exposing his racism, and those evil nee-grahs are attacking him in order to selfishly sway votes. Reacting to a racist asshole would be justification in itself, don't you all think? It sounds like blaming the nee-grah lovers for noticing obvious racism, when it's more likely Rush was the one going for gain, both political and monetary.

I'd say the same for those who killed that black dude in the other thread. Did law enforcement make an issue out of that just because of politics?

Not sure I follow this reasoning, but I assure you, I wasn't trying to affect any elections by using my evil mind control powers to make Rush accept a paycheck for spouting racist crap.

Originally Posted by vampiregenocide

Do you view the Westboro Baptist Church in the same way? I'm not picking apart your answer, I'm genuinely interested as I pretty much believe what you're saying here too. Nothing positive has come of someone holding their tongue in cases like this.

I've written about the WBC before, and about creative ways friends and I have protested alongside such groups. The WBC, for example, is best supported by protesters and signs with the message, "Jesus = Forgiveness and Love? Not in MY Bible!" That really drives the point home to those who then have to decide... is the ultimate Biblical message that of Levitican death and retribution, or of love?

I think the reason such things are viewed as marginally acceptable by many, and therefore not reacted to, is because there is a lack of thinking about the consequences and true meaning of such words and actions.

I'm not arguing that one has to accept on point of view or another on Scripture, but as most folks go with the Jah Love idea, confronting them with the hard reality of what the WBC is rejecting puts them on their own private Road to Damascus, and hopefully allows them to call out the WBC whenever the WBC's divergence from love become apparent, whether in person or when the WBC pops up in the news.

In short, I honestly believe: Silence is complicity.

And if even a metalhead lacks the courage to stand apart and reject false values, who else can?

[athawulf]

Originally Posted by bostjan

Rush Gasbag said something inflammatory?!

My thoughts exactly. There's no shortage of people who will get offended by anything, and to compliment, no shortage of people who will say anything. I'm surprised that people are surprised by rush saying shit like this.

[renzoip]

I'm surprised no one has posted this yet, so I feel obligated to:




Also, anyone who believed McCain when he announced "the end of racism in the US" after obama's electoral victory in 2008 is seriously in denial about the US's racial issues.

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by athawulf

...There's no shortage of people who will get offended by anything... .

Just for clarification... are you saying that using a racial epithet is no big deal?

It's not like someone who is reacting to seeing the Spanish word for black, "negro," on a box of black drywall screws and crying "Racism!" This is someone attacking another person because of their race... maybe not physically like in the other thread, but that kind of mindset doesn't seem like just being offended by "anything." I believe these people are being hateful, and I also believe that such attitudes lead to actions like in the other thread.

I'm just curious, because if you see no problem with racial epithets, it would just demonstrate my point that not challenging such things, including laying out the mindsets and logic behind them, will just let such viewpoints flourish.

[The Reverend]

Public figures should only get so much leeway to say incredibly stupid and ignorant things. By this point, I think there should be a tally kept, if only to point out to the masses how often people they put in the spotlight make fools of themselves. It does beg the question, however, if the fact that the masses essentially worship these fools means that the audience these types of people pander too are just as foolish, if not more.

[athawulf]

Originally Posted by Explorer

Just for clarification... are you saying that using a racial epithet is no big deal?

It's not like someone who is reacting to seeing the Spanish word for black, "negro," on a box of black drywall screws and crying "Racism!" This is someone attacking another person because of their race... maybe not physically like in the other thread, but that kind of mindset doesn't seem like just being offended by "anything." I believe these people are being hateful, and I also believe that such attitudes lead to actions like in the other thread.

It's not any worse than insulting anyone else for any other feature they exhibit. Being overweight/skinny, intelligence level, sexual orientation, religion, male/female. To be honest I think the most current discrimination is actually faced against females though that's a topic for another thread.

I'm just saying that what he said isn't very far out of line for what I'd expect to hear from him. Rush called the first Lady fat, no sweat there right. It isn't balanced the amount of weight and urgency race issues get in comparison to anything else.

On a personal subjective level, I think that when he called Michelle fat was a way lower punch than this was.

[Trembulant]

Originally Posted by Explorer

Just for clarification... are you saying that using a racial epithet is no big deal?

Firstly it may be a stupid thing to say, but it's not really racist, as in truly racist. A true racist is far more proactive. Plus that is not a representation of the kind of thing you would hear all the time on his show at all imo. I've listened to it enough to say that i think. Obviously you don't listen.
No i wouldn't say that it is a big deal. Better left unsaid, yeah i would agree.

But big enough deal for you to make a thread about and assume that that is a conservative mantra? No, I consider that more of a big deal and worse than Rush likening Obama to a cookie.

I liken Obama to a turd - not because it's brown, but because he's a piece of shit. Hows that? I think that for many reasons, and of which your assumptions of why are most likely not correct. Though i will state them and how i thought of Bush the same way later.

Lest not forget the many racist and telling opinions that Obama holds as Written in His Own Book.

As far as the cookie statement, I have had black friends and have had black room mates and we have said way worse shit just ....ing around. whoop de doo. I have also been in situations where these same people would not have invite certain of their friends over to the house or a party and the reason they stated when asked why is that "they don't like white people". I can give you plenty of examples - And before you try and come back at me realize you have no idea of my friends, family upbringing or background. First grow up in low income LA as a "white boy" and try to tell me about it.

Tell me about how my half black/half white nephew who has been brought up by white people his entire life would at a time in his life say some racial remarks at a family gathering while not even realizing it.

I'll tell you how. As a teenage boy hanging out with other black teenage boys he was influenced by whatever their generalized ideals were to white people. He grew out of it, and later in fact said how racist they were, and how he couldn't stand it.

So I agree that was a pointless remark by Rush which i am not defending.
It wasn't even funny, and doesn't help at all. But, that is what Rush loves to do, if anything to piss off the left and he does it on purpose. If you ever listen to his show you'd know. He sometimes does a media tweak segment, (he calls it keeping them employed cause without him they'd have no jobs) and then tells you what the likely headline will be or how they will try to spin it, and he is almost always right. It's uncanny. To me that is usually pretty funny. He's pompous as an act, it's schtick - because he can be, because he's right a lot. He gets them every time and catches them in lies and mis quotes constantly. Sometimes he has read some Democrat or liberal blogger post on air and it will be some really hate fueled or some dumb remark, and at the end on the day in the news it was Rush that made it up. Classic.

If anything it just makes you realize how the media is bullshit through and through, and it goes both ways. Rush is the anti media - he roasts Fox news as well as MSNBC. Plenty of republicans hate him as well as liberals, but they listen anyway don't they. I don't think he's some god or leader, he just has a good show, and a lot of times it's funny, and a lot of times it is true - and that's what pisses them off the most.

I've also heard worse from people in the liberal media say the most derogatory seemingly "racist" rude and uncalled for things ironically while trying to act like they are the least racist person in the world, however their comments are far more telling, and they are so oblivious they don't even see it. It goes both ways, if you want to point fingers.
I have heard two black men on npr saying the most racist shit you would think could ever be possibly allowed on public radio, never hear or seen outrage about that.

Still I think the racist word gets thrown around much to carelessly these days. Racism does exist, always has existed, always will exist forever in all parts of the world. It is a sad fact, Yes. No culture is immune.

Also for you to say that the conservative base "eats this stuff up" and that it is somehow their mantra, i say bullshit. You are as ignorant as those who you would point your finger and condemn. There are always some bad seeds in every group that kinda poisons the well, but doesn't prove or make the entire group that way. To generalize in that way is the same as calling a whole race of people some derogatory term, making you a hypocrite.
I have three colors of people in my family who are conservative who would
disagree with you and denounce your statement as well.

I think the racist propaganda that gets thrown around constantly anymore does nothing but divide us even more. Which i think is the plan by the people who actually run the media and our country - the people who own our government, who own our presidents, who make you think what they want you to think. Obama and Bush are one and the same, i despise them both, not for their color or where they come from, but because of who they work for and what they are doing to this country. I despise the media for helping that cause, either knowingly or by ignorance of falling into the trap.

I've heard plenty of black conservatives call into Rushs show who not only think the claims that Rush is a racist are bullshit, but actually give their account on how they believe that the liberal media is actually does nothing to help an african american in a positive light, and instead concentrate on this trivial shit and to only be angry at "the man", instead on concentrating on being successful and living life. Which ironically is the general message that conservatives try to forward. It's very simple - but liberals refuse to see it or understand it because they are too caught up in the drama of the media ect.

Divided we fall.

The real issues we face are not some schoolyard poke by Rush Limbaugh, hopefully someone who listens to his show called in and called him on that for it being childish and stupid.

Besides that,
I think you protest too much on the race thing. Have you been discriminated against a lot? Or are you just determined to show the world that you are the most anti racist alive? Or are you just another mind numbed media sponge chasing your tail instead of looking at the real issues that they don't want you to see. Maybe you should concentrate on finding the deeper reasons why you find you think the way you do sometimes, and or why certain things seem to be focused on more and pounded into your head daily than others in your consumption of the media. Weather it's Right Or Left Biased.

[ghstofperdition]

Originally Posted by BigPhi84

Yes, I know that the word, "Twinkie" has a MUCH different connotation in the Gay community!

Ha! I was just gonna point that out!

And Ive seen Rush's show. He is just a pompous airbag that loves to troll IRL. I dont take him seriously and am amazed that there are still people out there do. Its like he's trying to be the Howard Stern of Conservative talk radio. All he does is sound like a braying jackass. Crap, I just insulted donkeys everywhere.......

[daemon barbeque]

Originally Posted by Trembulant

Firstly it may be a stupid thing to say, but it's not really racist, as in truly racist. A true racist is far more proactive. Plus that is not a representation of the kind of thing you would hear all the time on his show at all imo. I've listened to it enough to say that i think. Obviously you don't listen.
No i wouldn't say that it is a big deal. Better left unsaid, yeah i would agree.

But big enough deal for you to make a thread about and assume that that is a conservative mantra? No, I consider that more of a big deal and worse than Rush likening Obama to a cookie.

I liken Obama to a turd - not because it's brown, but because he's a piece of shit. Hows that? I think that for many reasons, and of which your assumptions of why are most likely not correct. Though i will state them and how i thought of Bush the same way later.

Lest not forget the many racist and telling opinions that Obama holds as Written in His Own Book.

As far as the cookie statement, I have had black friends and have had black room mates and we have said way worse shit just ....ing around. whoop de doo. I have also been in situations where these same people would not have invite certain of their friends over to the house or a party and the reason they stated when asked why is that "they don't like white people". I can give you plenty of examples - And before you try and come back at me realize you have no idea of my friends, family upbringing or background. First grow up in low income LA as a "white boy" and try to tell me about it.

Tell me about how my half black/half white nephew who has been brought up by white people his entire life would at a time in his life say some racial remarks at a family gathering while not even realizing it.

I'll tell you how. As a teenage boy hanging out with other black teenage boys he was influenced by whatever their generalized ideals were to white people. He grew out of it, and later in fact said how racist they were, and how he couldn't stand it.

So I agree that was a pointless remark by Rush which i am not defending.
It wasn't even funny, and doesn't help at all. But, that is what Rush loves to do, if anything to piss off the left and he does it on purpose. If you ever listen to his show you'd know. He sometimes does a media tweak segment, (he calls it keeping them employed cause without him they'd have no jobs) and then tells you what the likely headline will be or how they will try to spin it, and he is almost always right. It's uncanny. To me that is usually pretty funny. He's pompous as an act, it's schtick - because he can be, because he's right a lot. He gets them every time and catches them in lies and mis quotes constantly. Sometimes he has read some Democrat or liberal blogger post on air and it will be some really hate fueled or some dumb remark, and at the end on the day in the news it was Rush that made it up. Classic.

If anything it just makes you realize how the media is bullshit through and through, and it goes both ways. Rush is the anti media - he roasts Fox news as well as MSNBC. Plenty of republicans hate him as well as liberals, but they listen anyway don't they. I don't think he's some god or leader, he just has a good show, and a lot of times it's funny, and a lot of times it is true - and that's what pisses them off the most.

I've also heard worse from people in the liberal media say the most derogatory seemingly "racist" rude and uncalled for things ironically while trying to act like they are the least racist person in the world, however their comments are far more telling, and they are so oblivious they don't even see it. It goes both ways, if you want to point fingers.
I have heard two black men on npr saying the most racist shit you would think could ever be possibly allowed on public radio, never hear or seen outrage about that.

Still I think the racist word gets thrown around much to carelessly these days. Racism does exist, always has existed, always will exist forever in all parts of the world. It is a sad fact, Yes. No culture is immune.

Also for you to say that the conservative base "eats this stuff up" and that it is somehow their mantra, i say bullshit. You are as ignorant as those who you would point your finger and condemn. There are always some bad seeds in every group that kinda poisons the well, but doesn't prove or make the entire group that way. To generalize in that way is the same as calling a whole race of people some derogatory term, making you a hypocrite.
I have three colors of people in my family who are conservative who would
disagree with you and denounce your statement as well.

I think the racist propaganda that gets thrown around constantly anymore does nothing but divide us even more. Which i think is the plan by the people who actually run the media and our country - the people who own our government, who own our presidents, who make you think what they want you to think. Obama and Bush are one and the same, i despise them both, not for their color or where they come from, but because of who they work for and what they are doing to this country. I despise the media for helping that cause, either knowingly or by ignorance of falling into the trap.

I've heard plenty of black conservatives call into Rushs show who not only think the claims that Rush is a racist are bullshit, but actually give their account on how they believe that the liberal media is actually does nothing to help an african american in a positive light, and instead concentrate on this trivial shit and to only be angry at "the man", instead on concentrating on being successful and living life. Which ironically is the general message that conservatives try to forward. It's very simple - but liberals refuse to see it or understand it because they are too caught up in the drama of the media ect.

Divided we fall.

The real issues we face are not some schoolyard poke by Rush Limbaugh, hopefully someone who listens to his show called in and called him on that for it being childish and stupid.

Besides that,
I think you protest too much on the race thing. Have you been discriminated against a lot? Or are you just determined to show the world that you are the most anti racist alive? Or are you just another mind numbed media sponge chasing your tail instead of looking at the real issues that they don't want you to see. Maybe you should concentrate on finding the deeper reasons why you find you think the way you do sometimes, and or why certain things seem to be focused on more and pounded into your head daily than others in your consumption of the media. Weather it's Right Or Left Biased.

The Rant is about Rush and not Explorer. Is Limbaugh a Scum? Yes! well proven.
Cany you proove he isn't? No you can't. Is his remarks Racist? Yes they are.
Case closed. No need to attack the messenger.

[chronocide]

Originally Posted by Trembulant

I liken Obama to a turd - not because it's brown, but because he's a piece of shit. Hows that? I think that for many reasons, and of which your assumptions of why are most likely not correct. Though i will state them and how i thought of Bush the same way later.

Lest not forget the many racist and telling opinions that Obama holds as Written in His Own Book.

Such as? That's not accusatory, I've just never heard any such opinion of his detailed, only mentioned in passing, vaguely.

I have also been in situations where these same people would not have invite certain of their friends over to the house or a party and the reason they stated when asked why is that "they don't like white people". I can give you plenty of examples - And before you try and come back at me realize you have no idea of my friends, family upbringing or background. First grow up in low income LA as a "white boy" and try to tell me about it.

Yes, non-white people can be arseholes too. That doesn't make it alright.

So I agree that was a pointless remark by Rush which i am not defending.
It wasn't even funny, and doesn't help at all. But, that is what Rush loves to do, if anything to piss off the left and he does it on purpose. If you ever listen to his show you'd know. He sometimes does a media tweak segment, (he calls it keeping them employed cause without him they'd have no jobs) and then tells you what the likely headline will be or how they will try to spin it, and he is almost always right. It's uncanny. To me that is usually pretty funny. He's pompous as an act, it's schtick - because he can be, because he's right a lot. He gets them every time and catches them in lies and mis quotes constantly. Sometimes he has read some Democrat or liberal blogger post on air and it will be some really hate fueled or some dumb remark, and at the end on the day in the news it was Rush that made it up. Classic.

So he's a prick for money, then? Isn't that the accusation of the thread? What point are you arguing?

I've also heard worse from people in the liberal media say the most derogatory seemingly "racist" rude and uncalled for things ironically while trying to act like they are the least racist person in the world, however their comments are far more telling, and they are so oblivious they don't even see it. It goes both ways, if you want to point fingers.
I have heard two black men on npr saying the most racist shit you would think could ever be possibly allowed on public radio, never hear or seen outrage about that.

Examples?

Still I think the racist word gets thrown around much to carelessly these days. Racism does exist, always has existed, always will exist forever in all parts of the world. It is a sad fact, Yes. No culture is immune.

Not sure what you're saying here? That racism will always be present so we shouldn't bother to comment on it? Because it's common the term shouldn't be thrown around so much?

Also for you to say that the conservative base "eats this stuff up" and that it is somehow their mantra, i say bullshit. You are as ignorant as those who you would point your finger and condemn. There are always some bad seeds in every group that kinda poisons the well, but doesn't prove or make the entire group that way. To generalize in that way is the same as calling a whole race of people some derogatory term, making you a hypocrite.
I have three colors of people in my family who are conservative who would
disagree with you and denounce your statement as well.

I think the racist propaganda that gets thrown around constantly anymore does nothing but divide us even more. Which i think is the plan by the people who actually run the media and our country - the people who own our government, who own our presidents, who make you think what they want you to think. Obama and Bush are one and the same, i despise them both, not for their color or where they come from, but because of who they work for and what they are doing to this country. I despise the media for helping that cause, either knowingly or by ignorance of falling into the trap.

I've heard plenty of black conservatives call into Rushs show who not only think the claims that Rush is a racist are bullshit, but actually give their account on how they believe that the liberal media is actually does nothing to help an african american in a positive light, and instead concentrate on this trivial shit and to only be angry at "the man", instead on concentrating on being successful and living life. Which ironically is the general message that conservatives try to forward. It's very simple - but liberals refuse to see it or understand it because they are too caught up in the drama of the media ect.

That can all get quoted as one because it centres around the idea of the American media as a whole being generally liberal, which is a hysterical assertion.

Divided we fall.

Besides that,
I think you protest too much on the race thing. Have you been discriminated against a lot? Or are you just determined to show the world that you are the most anti racist alive?

Maybe he just thinks bigots are ....s?

[Cyanide_Anima]

Originally Posted by Trembulant

*WHOA*

There isn't a single coherent argument in this post.

First paragraph is just ad hoc nonsense.


Your same comparison can be applied to Alex Jones, Coulter, Rush, or any extreme right-wing shock jock. "He's not a biased because he attacks Fox! and CNN!" All of these guys do so they do not appear biased. Then they continue on with their broadcast quoting Fox, News Corp, and Huffington Post articles and bash the left as much as possible. These guys try to hide their racist (basically tribal) motives with "softer" type bigoted statements like "oreo". Typical extremist doublespeak, which they accuse the people they are shit talking of using. Hypocrisy at its finest.

The rest of your post is just fallacies and anecdotes. Rush is a jerkface, there is no denying it. I don't usually wish harm on others, but I hope he gets a paper cut the next time he wipes his fat ass.

Edit: Here ya go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Trembulant

Plus that is not a representation of the kind of thing you would hear all the time on his show at all imo. I've listened to it enough to say that i think. Obviously you don't listen.

But big enough deal for you to make a thread about and assume that that is a conservative mantra? No, I consider that more of a big deal and worse than Rush likening Obama to a cookie.

Besides that,
I think you protest too much on the race thing. Have you been discriminated against a lot? Or are you just determined to show the world that you are the most anti racist alive? Or are you just another mind numbed media sponge chasing your tail instead of looking at the real issues that they don't want you to see. Maybe you should concentrate on finding the deeper reasons why you find you think the way you do sometimes, and or why certain things seem to be focused on more and pounded into your head daily than others in your consumption of the media. Weather it's Right Or Left Biased.

I've written more than once on the Radio Lunch Game, where conservatives and liberals in the office score points from each other's radio shows. When a group's chosen show is fair, or more than fair, in letting the other side respond, to make full points, to complete thoughts, they get points. When the group's favorite show cuts off the other viewpoint, doesn't allow them to respond or even complete sentences, it's a point for the other side.

Rush and Bill were the favorite shows of the liberals... because they were the most unfair. They *never* allowed someone on the other side to finish.

Any group could choose a show. The conservatives eventually got mad about buying other people lunch due to the unfairness of their chosen programming.

I've listened to quite a lot of Rush Limbaugh. You are mistaken.

So, you consider casual racism to be no big deal, and bringing attention to both it and the actions which it leads to to be more of a problem. Well, at least now we know where you stand... and have for a while.

Originally Posted by Trembulant

this generation is so blinded by the liberals propoganda it's a shame, not only is it complete lies but
it's blatant and on purpose to destroy what america is, obama and those who think like him
are deliberate enemies of freedom... .
...fact is the lefts agenda is destruction of freeedom and progress by design.
in my opinion ignorance is no excuse, the lefts and obamas agenda will and is becoming clear for those not living in a fantasy land.
too bad it has to go to shit before the rest realize and likely they will still try to blame bush 4 years later.
never taking resonsibility for their own actions which is deliberate and for 1 reason only , destroy freedon and free thought.

The fact that you can stand up for racist douchebaggery is pretty humorous to me. You make your country proud.

Hmm... is your post just trolling? I don't know, but that's not for me to decide.

[fwd0120]

I was kinda shocked about geddy's comments for almost 30 seconds........

.....Imma slow reader

[Blind Theory]

Now, to start off, I would NEVER say racist or derogatory slurs because I was paid a large salary to do so. That being said, I can't really blame Rush. He has been in the business so long he doesn't have a soul anymore. The paycheck spoke to him and it said, "Rush....oh rush, I'm all yours. yesss...grab me! WAIT! Call Obama an oreo first...atta boy! Spend me on expensive cars and cloths now!" I hear that kind of thing happens to most people like him.

[athawulf]

Originally Posted by Blind Theory

Now, to start off, I would NEVER say racist or derogatory slurs because I was paid a large salary to do so. That being said, I can't really blame Rush. He has been in the business so long he doesn't have a soul anymore. The paycheck spoke to him and it said, "Rush....oh rush, I'm all yours. yesss...grab me! WAIT! Call Obama an oreo first...atta boy! Spend me on expensive cars and cloths now!" I hear that kind of thing happens to most people like him.

I'll paypal 100 bucks says otherwise.

edit: instead of getting all sensitive w/ the neg rep you can pm me and I'll see to it you get some paypal lovin too.

[Trembulant]

Originally Posted by Explorer

I've written more than once on the Radio Lunch Game, where conservatives and liberals in the office score points from each other's radio shows. When a group's chosen show is fair, or more than fair, in letting the other side respond, to make full points, to complete thoughts, they get points. When the group's favorite show cuts off the other viewpoint, doesn't allow them to respond or even complete sentences, it's a point for the other side.

Rush and Bill were the favorite shows of the liberals... because they were the most unfair. They *never* allowed someone on the other side to finish.

Any group could choose a show. The conservatives eventually got mad about buying other people lunch due to the unfairness of their chosen programming.

I've listened to quite a lot of Rush Limbaugh. You are mistaken.

So, you consider casual racism to be no big deal, and bringing attention to both it and the actions which it leads to to be more of a problem. Well, at least now we know where you stand... and have for a while.



The fact that you can stand up for racist douchebaggery is pretty humorous to me. You make your country proud.

Hmm... is your post just trolling? I don't know, but that's not for me to decide.

Funny, every things trolling when it's not inline with what someone thinks.

Guess it's pointless to argue with simpletons, I'm not here making obvious anti liberal threads. I don't really believe it is productive. People have the right to believe what they want, and others have the right to retort if they think someone makes a ridiculous statement, or they think it's bullshit or disagree in some way * shrug When i see that i feel in the spirit of honesty and truth to respond. Because it seems that you are a bigot.

Some people ask question or want examples they could easily find themselves, so that is the biggest cop out and most worthless thing you can post. It's obvious by the questions asked back for examples, they either don't want to know, or are so ignorant that they refuse to believe it.

Yes my post i do agree racism is and always will be an issue, and that it sucks. I personally have listened to plenty of Rush and haven't heard something like the Oreo comment before. I did say that it was stupid did i not?

It is just fine for you to make light of it if it really pissed you off or whatever, i don't disagree with that. I disagree with what you added to it, your opinion of a large swatch of people, who can all be every different. To me it is the same thing as being a racist saying all race of people are so and so way.

If someone doesn't get that, they can't be reasoned with.

For someone to insinuate they know where i stand - in contrary to racism being something that exists after reading my post or somehow thinking i think it by and large ok? Your hopeless.

If they didn't understand my post or try to read into it something otherwise, move along. I made it pretty easy to understand, no hidden message or agenda.

They *never* allowed someone on the other side to finish.

Bullshit, and plain not true. I have rarely heard a Liberal call in that was actually making a point that Rush didn't let speak enough to attempt to make a case -they just damn near never make a good case! A lot of time it is just name calling or whatever from the caller, and Ownage by Rush. I have heard a few good calls here and there, and that's cool, and Rush will converse with them about it, not cut them off or hang them up.

I in fact am usually routing for the caller to say something or make such a point as to stump Rush - or the host of any show. I am actually hoping for them to drop something on them that they a give me something to think about. It's no fun when everyone calls and just agrees with everything.

I don't believe that only one opinion or that one philosophy is the only thing that carries any weight and should be taken as the final command either.

Plus with Rush, supposedly liberal callers get moved to the front of the line. In fact i think he lets them talk just fine. The host has the last word, true.
But usually Rush let's them talk unless they are just being vile. Which does nothing to help their case.

I Have Heard when they were unable to get to a (self identified) liberal caller, Rush extend for them to call in the next monday and that they would be put right on. When that person didn't call on monday, they called her, and gave her a chance to speak, and say everything she wanted to say.

It is always in the Hosts advantage in a call in show - some let others speak some don't, There is the fact that there are 1000 people waiting on hold, that there is a time crunch as well. It's state your point, get feedback and next caller. That's the way it is on any show, so imagine one of the biggest shows in the country.

I don't expect to make people like his show, and i don't care - i mean in reality i could care less. I do think though that hearing peoples comments or saying things about him or the show - most of them don't even know what they are talking about and are just repeating headlines or opinions made by someone else. It seems pretty obvious to me now. I know most of my life i just always heard he was a douche, but never knew why, never listened, never cared. When i started listening to him, i thought, hmn, what's the big deal. Seems some people want very much for you to think that so you never listen to it and realize they are full of shit.

Anyway, it's a free country besides the ....ing douchbaggery of the little babies here that call you a troll and call on you to be banned cause the little ....s can't handle something. People should be able to speak freely or within reason, and others should be able to disagree. If someone doesn't like it ....ing Waaahh, tell the teacher, ....ing lmao.

No one here has said jack to discount my post. The only question is weather you think Rush is a douche. Fine He's a douche to you. You could have said in your Op, i think Rush Limbaugh is a douche, listen to this racist sounding comment. But you then decided to add, what you thought about people who might listen to his show or conservatives in general at their core are this or that, from that point on you are trolling and it's fair game.

So tough shit, if you don't like my post back. You can continue to disagree, it's your right. Any personal attacks or assumptions against me haven't been worthy or hold any weight.

I'd much rather have intelligent dialog between people, but the general attitude, and juvenile ignorance from (some) people here doesn't much allow for it.

So, you consider casual racism to be no big deal, and bringing attention to both it and the actions which it leads to to be more of a problem.Well, at least now we know where you stand... and have for a while.

I consider it an inevitable part of humanity and ultimately inexstinguishable.

And that post has uh not a damn thing to do with racism?
What the .... is your point? What don't you get about it?, lol.
How is it related to racism, Trolling .. He's Trolling, Tell the teacher. He made a troll link to troll, waaah.

I stand behind it, what the .... do you think i'm gonna cower?

You apparently do not know where i stand on the issue of racism, so i'll make it clear to you.

I wish racism never existed.

Is that clear enough for you?

[chronocide]

Well, that was concise and meaningful.

[Blind Theory]

Originally Posted by athawulf

I'll paypal 100 bucks says otherwise.

edit: instead of getting all sensitive w/ the neg rep you can pm me and I'll see to it you get some paypal lovin too.

I am not understanding the paypal thing...to be honest. And I just looked at this thread again so I had no idea you quoted me or anything. Sorry you got neg repped but I am not the giver of the neg rep.