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Unread 07-23-2011, 07:29 AM   #126
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Depends.
Norway has a system that in some cases can be similar to the one they have in Canada. You will -not- get out of prison as long as you can be considered a danger to society. Meaning, if after 21 years he is still regarded as a threat to society, he will not be released. So technically, he -can- serve for life.
Yeah, there is such a thing as a life sentence, even though it's not directly applied.

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Unread 07-23-2011, 07:39 AM   #127
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The death toll is now 91. This is pretty messed up.

What happened to Jeff? Funny how he dropped off the radar now that the entire Western world disagrees with his right wing bullshit.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 08:16 AM   #128
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Yeah. 84 shot and killed at the Utøya youth camp, and 7 in the bombing.

Police currently don't THINK there was a second gunner, but they are working hard to find out if there was. The same goes for the claims of him talking into a headset mic. We still don't know that this is true, as eyewitness reports are extremely unreliable.

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Depends.
Norway has a system that in some cases can be similar to the one they have in Canada. You will -not- get out of prison as long as you can be considered a danger to society. Meaning, if after 21 years he is still regarded as a threat to society, he will not be released. So technically, he -can- serve for life.
True, but he will still receive a maximum of 21 years, that can be extended 5 years a time. Typically he would still be eligible for parole after about 10 years, but I don't see that happening here. Also he will have to be considered "sane" to get such a sentence. Otherwise he'll be sentenced to treatment of some sorts.

This will be a true test for our courts and our penal system. There will be a lot of people demanding blood, and I can't say I blame them.

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Yeah. 84 shot and killed at the Utøya youth camp, and 7 in the bombing.

Police currently don't THINK there was a second gunner, but they are working hard to find out if there was. The same goes for the claims of him talking into a headset mic. We still don't know that this is true, as eyewitness reports are extremely unreliable.
He also may recording what is happening through a bluetooth device, adding comments and stuff.
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Unread 07-23-2011, 09:53 AM   #131
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91 people died?! That is ....ing insane, think of all the families that he single handedly destroyed.. I was working today so I didnt get the news, but shit turned out to be even worse than I could imagine..

Even if he would get a life sentence that won't bring back those people, I can;t even think of an appropiate (not sure if its the right word im looking for) sentence.
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This is horrible..
Over 90 people dead, most of them children and yound students.
A quick update for those who doesnt know the details:
This 32 years old (etnic Norwegian) traitor and nazi blows up a car in the capital of Norway, Oslo. Later the same man goes to a (peaceful)political summer camp for children, students and other youngs and just starts chasing and shooting people with an automatic gun. Almost 90 people shot and dead. Most of them are under 30 years old.
Man got cought yesterday and police knows his motives. Sadly the Norwegian law system is really kind.

This is really, really horrible and the whole nation is in tears. No one of my relatives or friends got hurt, but this is a happening that really touch all of our hearts.
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Even if he would get a life sentence that won't bring back those people, I can;t even think of an appropiate (not sure if its the right word im looking for) sentence.
I'm not pro-death sentence as a whole, but I've always thought that people like this are beyond rehabilitation. Locking them up costs the taxpayers money (and some of them will have been affected by his crimes, remember), and he'll get out in a few years anyway because Norway's sentencing is so gutless.

In some, rare, cases like this one, with mass murder etc., the best thing they can do is just kill them. This guy will obviously never be able to make a positive contribution to society. He took 91 lives from totally innocent people, so it makes sense to me that the least they can do is take his.

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Especially when it comes to murdering children..
Imo no human can descide if another person is supposde to live or die. But when it comes to murdering children; Those kind of murderers doesnt belong among us. they are not even worthy enough to be called animals.
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This is horrible..
Over 90 people dead, most of them children and yound students.
A quick update for those who doesnt know the details:
This 32 years old (etnic Norwegian) traitor and nazi blows up a car in the capital of Norway, Oslo. Later the same man goes to a (peaceful)political summer camp for children, students and other youngs and just starts chasing and shooting people with an automatic gun. Almost 90 people shot and dead. Most of them are under 30 years old.
Man got cought yesterday and police knows his motives. Sadly the Norwegian law system is really kind.

This is really, really horrible and the whole nation is in tears. No one of my relatives or friends got hurt, but this is a happening that really touch all of our hearts.
Glad to hear you and your beloved once are safe man!
This Maniac should be work till he dies digging tunnels with his hands for infrastructure, and get shot with plastic ammunition everyday, to remind him what he did. The pain will remain till he dies, and he will serve the families and everyone else by building the infrastructure!
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Glad to hear you and your beloved once are safe man!
This Maniac should be work till he dies digging tunnels with his hands for infrastructure, and get shot with plastic ammunition everyday, to remind him what he did. The pain will remain till he dies, and he will serve the families and everyone else by building the infrastructure!
Nah, just pull the plug on him. Subhuman Nazi scum like this don't deserve the privilege of being alive.

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Unread 07-23-2011, 11:52 AM   #137
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I think it's time for the mods to change the thread title.
It's not Terrorists attack Norway, It's a Dickhead maniac attack his own people. Or more Norwagian Dickhead Maniacs attackes their own people.
Maybe, Extreme Rightwing Christian should be added to wipe some "All terrorists are muslims" information form the common memory.
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I agree, even though him being Norwegian still makes him a terrorist. But I guess people get the wrong idea from the title, so if a mod could be kind enough to change it to something appropriate that would be great.


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Unread 07-23-2011, 12:07 PM   #139
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Number of dead are now up to 92...

The police are now pretty sure that the bombing was a diversion, and that the youth camp was the real target.




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wow, I'm so sorry. I had no idea this happened, I'll look into it more.

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Yeah, that part makes me a bit angry at the American media. This got so little coverage unless you went looking for it, which is kind of sad considering how big this is.
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I'm not pro-death sentence as a whole, but I've always thought that people like this are beyond rehabilitation. Locking them up costs the taxpayers money (and some of them will have been affected by his crimes, remember), and he'll get out in a few years anyway because Norway's sentencing is so gutless.

In some, rare, cases like this one, with mass murder etc., the best thing they can do is just kill them. This guy will obviously never be able to make a positive contribution to society. He took 91 lives from totally innocent people, so it makes sense to me that the least they can do is take his.

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On one hand I agree to a certain extent, but in my eyes that would be too easy and soft for him. Sure you could give him a lethal injection or send him to the gas-chamber but in my eyes that just doesn't quite do it.

On a other note, it's weird to see a lot of folks around here (NL) are making a fuzz about Amy Winehouse right now while I haven't read a single thing about the massacre not even 1000 miles from here...

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Unread 07-23-2011, 01:49 PM   #143
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On a other note, it's weird to see a lot of folks around here (NL) are making a fuzz about Amy Winehouse right now while I haven't read a single thing about the massacre not even 1000 miles from here...
That's insane... But one of the curses of modern society is that our prioreties are sometimes waaay off...




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On one hand I agree to a certain extent, but in my eyes that would be too easy and soft for him. Sure you could give him a lethal injection or send him to the gas-chamber but in my eyes that just doesn't quite do it.
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What a terrible thing to happen. I feel very sorry both for the victims and the families of people killed. Targeting children is terrible.

Honestly, I don't feel we should waste our kindness on such an evil man. I don't support the death penalty because there can be so many complications regarding evidence etc, and many criminals can be rehabilitated and given a second chance in society.. but in this case it is clear as day he is guilty and obviously such a person cannot be rehabilitated. Off with his head.

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That's insane... But one of the curses of modern society is that our prioreties are sometimes waaay off...
Well, in their defence, it was'nt a feature on MTV...

Heh nah, people are just desensitized, yesterday was yesterday....
Most likely I am the insane one in their eyes for caring about people I never heard of or never saw. It's the same with the thousands of people starving to death right now.

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Well, don't get me wrong, essentially I am not pro-death, but imagine it was your son, daughter, sister, brother or whatever person you care for be it someone you know, would you be fine with the convicted getting off that easy, I mean his life is over anyway.

These things don;t happen that much in Europe, but in most cases I have read about (psycho shootouts) the guy more often than not kills himself to avoid other repercussions.

Even being harsh, like say going medieval on his ass, stoning him to death for example which is not a uncommon thing in this world, would still not bring your loved ones back. Bear in mind he didnt kill almost 100 people, he wrecked a lot more lives than that. I think whatever the punishment is, it still would not be enough.

On the other hand, where were his friends and family to take notice of this strange behaviour, they might have prevented this from happening.

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Well, in their defence, it was'nt a feature on MTV...

Heh nah, people are just desensitized, yesterday was yesterday....
Most likely I am the insane one in their eyes for caring about people I never heard of or never saw. It's the same with the thousands of people starving to death right now
Point to you Sir

I would actually take it a step further and say that people are stupified, they do not even remotely concern themselves with what's happening in the world.

We took a weekly quiz in high-school about news for the week. I won every time because, I kid you not, I was the only one that could be bothered with watching the news...
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We took a weekly quiz in high-school about news for the week. I won every time because, I kid you not, I was the only one that could be bothered with watching the news...
I do watch the news but I wish I didn't most of the time, it makes me want to die.

It makes me realise just what a shitty, ....ed up place the world is.

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