Serious Social and Political Issue !

Wolfenstein · 11-09-2009, 10:04 PM

Is talking about Politics a sure fire way to ruin a Dinner Party?

CooleyJr · 11-09-2009, 10:11 PM

Id guess so.. because 9/10 times theres gonna be someone that doesnt have the same views and go off on an hour long rant about how your political views are wrong..
Just sayin

Daemoniac · 11-09-2009, 10:24 PM

I'm gona say no, as long as the people you're talking too aren't arseholes about their political views and decide to go on a several hour long rant about how unpatriotic you must be before just giving up and shooting you because clearly you're a terrorist

CooleyJr · 11-09-2009, 10:33 PM

This actually made me

pretty hard.
At the same time its sad because its true.
Pretty much everyone that goes against Obama gets called a terrorist..

Wolfenstein · 11-09-2009, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyJr

This actually made me

pretty hard.
At the same time its sad because its true.
Pretty much everyone that goes against Obama gets called a terrorist..

Sounds like more EXTREME RADICALISED views from a certain Yahoo!Chat guitarist to me =/

hahaha

CooleyJr · 11-09-2009, 10:38 PM

Well Mark.. If you watched American news.. you'd see what I'm talking about.

renzoip · 11-09-2009, 10:48 PM

Yeah, it all depends on who you are talking to. In my family for example, everyone has different political views and yet, we do talk about politics in almost everyone of our family gatherings. In the end nobody takes things personal. I would hardly bring up a topic like that with people who I don't think I could have an intelligent discussion with.

Daemoniac · 11-09-2009, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyJr

Pretty much everyone that goes against Obama gets called a terrorist..

It was the same situation with Bush though. It must be an American thing

CooleyJr · 11-09-2009, 11:06 PM

Yeah... It's sad. I honestly don't like my own country.. OMGZORZ!! IZ A TEARORIZT!!!

phaeded0ut · 11-10-2009, 08:58 AM

Hate to say it, but it depends upon the crowd. Some folks can talk about politics without getting all hot and bothered about it, and other folks instantly turn into Mt. Vesuvius. Religion can be another string of topics that might cause folks to behave less than kindly, too. Again, it depends...

Hollowman · 11-10-2009, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyJr

Yeah... It's sad. I honestly don't like my own country.. OMGZORZ!! IZ A TEARORIZT!!!

Or is it more that you Dislike your Government? I Love my Country, but I hate my Government.

xXxPriestessxXx · 11-10-2009, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyJr

Pretty much everyone that goes against Obama gets called a terrorist..

I think that tends to be a regional thing with Obama.
I am in the South and am an Obama supporter and I get accused of being a terrorist as well as many other things that I will not mention here.

I think it is just the American idea that there has to be a bad guy and no matter what the issue is, if you disagree with the person/group you are talking with you automatically become said bad guy. Sad but in my experiences that has been the case.

RenegadeDave · 11-11-2009, 06:56 AM

Politics have replaced Religion as the dinner ruiner, because in all honesty Politics has moved in next to religion. Much like in Religion, "all other Religions but mine are wrong" is interchangeable with political points of view, and no amount of information to the contrary will sway them.

Ryan-ZenGtr- · 11-11-2009, 09:52 AM

My opinion is that it is your adult responsibility to discuss and assess the world around you. So much anecdotal information has to come to me from friends willing to share their experiences, some of which relates to politics.

Sharing your point of view and observing the right to free speech are important freedoms that, I feel, should be expressed as freely as possible.

So far as avoiding offence to others, the key is not to force your opinions on others and to politely erect stop signs when others overstep your personal boundaries.

In a world where the media claims to control free thought, sharing views with others has become far more important, in order to fill in the blanks the media has omitted, whilst avoiding/cushioning shock revelations from your research/learning/experience.

I've studied history as my recreation for years now, and though I don't claim to be an expert, I would expect that on certain topics, I know things people whose primary information resource is television do not. I try to share this compassionately to those that ask or express an interest, and in return I learn to share knowledge more evocatively and to be less reactionary.

The key with these topics (religion and politics) is when you think: "I know what is best for this person..." that is the time to be quiet. I do not assume the right to change people from their paths. The only right I assume is to remind people they live in an increasingly complex world and that they should at least be aware of it to the extent at which they are comfortable; the less or more should be their decision.

These are powerful topics which, I think, should be freely discussed, whilst holding this thought in focus; respect works both ways.

Good luck!

synrgy · 11-11-2009, 10:02 AM

I thought it was fairly standard etiquette that A) religion and B) politics have no place in the workplace, or at the dinner table. That's how I was raised, anyway.

BigPhi84 · 11-11-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan-ZenGtr-

My opinion is that it is your adult responsibility to discuss and assess the world around you. So much anecdotal information has to come to me from friends willing to share their experiences, some of which relates to politics.

Sharing your point of view and observing the right to free speech are important freedoms that, I feel, should be expressed as freely as possible.

So far as avoiding offence to others, the key is not to force your opinions on others and to politely erect stop signs when others overstep your personal boundaries.

In a world where the media claims to control free thought, sharing views with others has become far more important, in order to fill in the blanks the media has omitted, whilst avoiding/cushioning shock revelations from your research/learning/experience.

I've studied history as my recreation for years now, and though I don't claim to be an expert, I would expect that on certain topics, I know things people whose primary information resource is television do not. I try to share this compassionately to those that ask or express an interest, and in return I learn to share knowledge more evocatively and to be less reactionary.

The key with these topics (religion and politics) is when you think: "I know what is best for this person..." that is the time to be quiet. I do not assume the right to change people from their paths. The only right I assume is to remind people they live in an increasingly complex world and that they should at least be aware of it to the extent at which they are comfortable; the less or more should be their decision.

These are powerful topics which, I think, should be freely discussed, whilst holding this thought in focus; respect works both ways.

Good luck!

I just wanted to publicly thank you for this post.

Hollowman · 11-11-2009, 04:33 PM

Honestly, everyone one here should take an interest in what happens with government and how they work, at least in U.S. have seemed to forgot that we put them there by passing the bill's that seem "damaging" to our Constitution.

RenegadeDave · 11-11-2009, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollowman666

Honestly, everyone one here should take an interest in what happens with government and how they work, at least in U.S. have seemed to forgot that we put them there by passing the bill's that seem "damaging" to our Constitution.

But therein lies the rub, some people don't care about the Constitution.

Hollowman · 11-12-2009, 07:44 AM

yep it's a shame, People get so wrapped up in "stuff" that they don't see the big picture of whats going on in the world or what kind of world they'll/we'll leave our Children.

JBroll · 11-13-2009, 01:22 AM

If your dinner party guests are closed-minded enough to prevent a useful discussion from causing discomfort, get dinner party guests who aren't total ....heads. Problem solved.

Jeff

Setnakt · 11-15-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synrgy

I thought it was fairly standard etiquette that A) religion and B) politics have no place in the workplace, or at the dinner table. That's how I was raised, anyway.

We could just as easily say that religion and politics have no place at all.

The problem is that these issues are scandalized by the corporate media so that no one wants to talk about them. This is how the media monopolizes important subjects.

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11-09-2009, 10:04 PM	#1
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renzoip I Am the Table Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ihate, FL, US. Posts: 2,468 Thanked: 19 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, it all depends on who you are talking to. In my family for example, everyone has different political views and yet, we do talk about politics in almost everyone of our family gatherings. In the end nobody takes things personal. I would hardly bring up a topic like that with people who I don't think I could have an intelligent discussion with. DARK LEGACY - Progressive Power Metal from South FL!

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phaeded0ut droooooneeeeeeeee! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,511 Thanked: 28 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hate to say it, but it depends upon the crowd. Some folks can talk about politics without getting all hot and bothered about it, and other folks instantly turn into Mt. Vesuvius. Religion can be another string of topics that might cause folks to behave less than kindly, too. Again, it depends... "All the World's a stage, ... and the rest is Vaudeville..." -Allan Moore

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Ryan-ZenGtr- SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,610 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My opinion is that it is your adult responsibility to discuss and assess the world around you. So much anecdotal information has to come to me from friends willing to share their experiences, some of which relates to politics. Sharing your point of view and observing the right to free speech are important freedoms that, I feel, should be expressed as freely as possible. So far as avoiding offence to others, the key is not to force your opinions on others and to politely erect stop signs when others overstep your personal boundaries. In a world where the media claims to control free thought, sharing views with others has become far more important, in order to fill in the blanks the media has omitted, whilst avoiding/cushioning shock revelations from your research/learning/experience. I've studied history as my recreation for years now, and though I don't claim to be an expert, I would expect that on certain topics, I know things people whose primary information resource is television do not. I try to share this compassionately to those that ask or express an interest, and in return I learn to share knowledge more evocatively and to be less reactionary. The key with these topics (religion and politics) is when you think: "I know what is best for this person..." that is the time to be quiet. I do not assume the right to change people from their paths. The only right I assume is to remind people they live in an increasingly complex world and that they should at least be aware of it to the extent at which they are comfortable; the less or more should be their decision. These are powerful topics which, I think, should be freely discussed, whilst holding this thought in focus; respect works both ways. Good luck!

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synrgy Iraq Lobster. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,603 Thanked: 65 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I thought it was fairly standard etiquette that A) religion and B) politics have no place in the workplace, or at the dinner table. That's how I was raised, anyway.

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Hollowman SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 424 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Honestly, everyone one here should take an interest in what happens with government and how they work, at least in U.S. have seemed to forgot that we put them there by passing the bill's that seem "damaging" to our Constitution. Last edited by Hollowman; 11-11-2009 at 04:34 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-12-2009, 07:44 AM	#19
Hollowman SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 424 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yep it's a shame, People get so wrapped up in "stuff" that they don't see the big picture of whats going on in the world or what kind of world they'll/we'll leave our Children.

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JBroll Hard-On For Freedom™ Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX, USA Posts: 4,197 Thanked: 26 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	If your dinner party guests are closed-minded enough to prevent a useful discussion from causing discomfort, get dinner party guests who aren't total ....heads. Problem solved. Jeff

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