[Stitch]

Originally Posted by ToneUniverse

No, never said that, reread. Using a pup that you need to totally tweak your preamp to try to compensate for the crappy sound of the pup. So your preamp sounds is slaved to the f$$cking pup. Kind of the same case Chris is indicating for the "Designed by EMG".

On a side note, if you need to use EQ to make your amp sound good, then you'd better change your amp.

So what you are saying is all pickups should sound the same? Thats nuts man.

My Seymour Duncan Invader sounds completely different to my EMG 81, and I have different equipment settings for each to bring out the individual awesomeness of each. Saying that I shouln't have to adjust for the pickup is completely ridiculous. You adjust settings for guitars, pedals and cabinets, so why not for pickups?

[ibznorange]

duder, i think chris isnt pointing so much at that you gotta adjust your eq to make those pups sound good, but more at you CANT adjust the eq to make those sound good

And if you think using your eq on your amp to sound good is "stupid", i think i wanna watch you try and use a dual rec

[Toshiro]

Originally Posted by ToneUniverse

On a side note, if you need to use EQ to make your amp sound good, then you'd better change your amp.

This statement is retarded, if an EQ makes your tone better, use it. Bet you're one of those "if you use a pedal with your rig at all, you have the wrong amp" snobs.

[ToneUniverse]

First off, I never said or implied all pickups should sound the same. I clearly said you should not have to condition your preamp to make a crappy sounding pup good. Very different to your own interpretation of what I stated. I guess you don't consider your Invaders or the 81 crappy, am I right? I said the TZ is not a good pup, and does not sound good "unless you compensate them at the pre-amp level, which is plain stupid IMO." That should be very clear by now, that was IMO.

Secondly, when I said "EQ to make your amp sound good" I did not mean or imply the amp's EQ, as that is just a last in the chain mean to shape your overall sound. Normally, just slightly, as you don't normally find many people boosting treble or bass at that point. Rather, the guts of your sound originate in the pups, then go thru your preamp, then your FXs. Then, lastly, the amp. So there is a lot more to tweak before trying to mess with your amp's EQ. I always referred to tweaking at the preamp level. I did not even mention EQ until Ibznorange suggested that. It is not only EQ, it is gain, it is presence, it is drive, it is compression. Much more than just EQ.

Thridly, you definitely can use whatever makes your sound better, no need to call anything or anyone retarded Toshiro, right? I maintain that if you NEED to considerably tweak your amp's sound to make it sound decent, then chances are that you'd be better off trying another amp that may fit your likes and sound better. That's why people tend to prefer this or that amp make, because of their distinctive sound: The Marshall sound... the Mesa sound... the ENGL sound. You don't look forward to making those sound better, you just fine tune the amp sound to closely match your preferences, but it will always sound like a Marshall, or a Mesa, or an ENGL.

[soldierkahn]

i am a HUGE fan of the 707 + Basswood for a 7 string, thats my sweet spot of tonewoods and pup eq..... im not so much a fan of basswood in 6s, as id prefer Alder with a Maple top, or a Mahogany with a bolt on maple neck.....

but i also havent tried out the BOs for 6s yet.....might be a great combo

[ibznorange]

Originally Posted by ToneUniverse

Lots of text

Ok, so youve made it very clear that im not understanding what youre getting at

what do you mean by "preamp level"?

[Toshiro]

Originally Posted by ToneUniverse

On a side note, if you need to use EQ to make your amp sound good, then you'd better change your amp.

Originally Posted by ToneUniverse

Thridly, you definitely can use whatever makes your sound better, no need to call anything or anyone retarded Toshiro, right? I maintain that if you NEED to considerably tweak your amp's sound to make it sound decent, then chances are that you'd be better off trying another amp that may fit your likes and sound better. That's why people tend to prefer this or that amp make, because of their distinctive sound: The Marshall sound... the Mesa sound... the ENGL sound. You don't look forward to making those sound better, you just fine tune the amp sound to closely match your preferences, but it will always sound like a Marshall, or a Mesa, or an ENGL.

No EQ in the loop will change the voicing of an amp, what you're implying is that using an external EQ is never needed, and that you should sell your amp for something else if you use one.

EQ knobs on an amp are there to tweak, the tone stack is always part of the circuit, your tone is not purer by leaving these flat. Never mind that some amps require time tweaking to get great metal tones out of them, period. If you don't know how to set-up something like a Mesa Mark IV, it's not going to sound it's best no matter what pickups you have.

I find this entire concept screwed up.

I maintain that: You might have to turn the knobs on an amp to find something you like, and you might have to get a EQ for the loop, you might have to boost it, but if you like the voicing of said amp it's all fucking worth it.

[gaunten]

the "duncan designed" pups in my schecter V7 really fails at doing anything coolsounding... gotta get me a lundgren or something...

[TheMissing]

Originally Posted by gaunten

the "duncan designed" pups in my schecter V7 really fails at doing anything coolsounding... gotta get me a lundgren or something...

I had a V-7... Man those pickups were terrible. Even compared to the SAME ones I had in my Gryphon (The V7 is basswood, and the Gryphon is mahogany, that may have something to do with it)

[ToneUniverse]

Originally Posted by Toshiro

No EQ in the loop will change the voicing of an amp, what you're implying is that using an external EQ is never needed, and that you should sell your amp for something else if you use one..

You keep making up things out of nowhere...

Originally Posted by Toshiro

EQ knobs on an amp are there to tweak, the tone stack is always part of the circuit, your tone is not purer by leaving these flat. Never mind that some amps require time tweaking to get great metal tones out of them, period. If you don't know how to set-up something like a Mesa Mark IV, it's not going to sound it's best no matter what pickups you have..

Quite agree. You're exactly repeating what I said.

Mark IV is a preamp/power-amp/speaker combo, reason why I guess you're speaking in terms of tweaking "the amp". Mostly, you'll be tweaking the preamp section, so I hope you get what I said before now.

I love simple. Simple is good. Reason why I love and use the Mesa 2:90 and the 20:20. Nothing to tweak. It's the pure sound of the amp tube voicing. Gain up or down, and a little presence tweaking. That's it. You don't like it? Then you got to find something else 'cause that is the Mesa sound, pure and simple. Tweaking? yes, I do a lot, to my Triaxis.

Originally Posted by Toshiro

I find this entire concept screwed up.

In terms of what you said in your last paragraph, I agree. So we seem to be in agreement in a lot of things.