no tone knob? why not no volume?

Leon · 12-01-2005, 02:30 PM

i was thinking today, for those of you who are thinking of axing your tone knob, why stop there?

i'm thinking that you could take out the volume pot as well, and possibly replace it with a 2-way switch, for a sort of on/off operation. i'd imagine that make the signal even hotter?

just a thought

Ken · 12-01-2005, 02:53 PM

An interesting idea. I use the knob for fades every now and then, so the switch wouldn't work for me. I wouldn't miss the tone knob if it fell off because it stays on 10 all the time.

Shannon · 12-01-2005, 02:58 PM

You could do it. The Gibson Nikki Sixx Signature Thunderbird bass just had a single on/off switch. That's it.
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAM...ikki-Sixx.html

Beelzebloke · 12-01-2005, 03:02 PM

I had a Yamaha years back with no tone knob, I wired in a "kill-switch" ( mini toggle ) for doing staccato nonsense... I never used the volume knob but never though of removing it completely, I wish I'd've thought of that at the time as it would've looked pretty cool.
Incidentally it was an early 1xHB version of the RGtype they do now that has a "direct" switch that bypasses the vol&tone circuit altogether.

So yeah, as long as you don't use it, and won't ever want to in the future, why not?

I gotta admit I never touch the tone or volume pots on the guitar I use for DM.

But if I'm playing bluesy stuff on the strat I like using the volume control to get more or less drive into the amp, though of course I could use a volume pedal to do this.

Mmm, you've made me wonder now ( imagines 7string "knobless" )...
The downside would be the inevitable "where's your knob" gags...

Shannon · 12-01-2005, 03:05 PM

Yeah, I never use the tone on my guitar. However, I use a tone knob on basses quite a bit.

Leon · 12-01-2005, 03:17 PM

when i'm rock'n out, i usually leave both volume and tone's at 10, but for not-so-rock'n playing, i love having the added dynamics of the volume and tone to shape the sound.

but, if i ever got one of those bridge-pup-only or tone-knobless guitars, i think i'd put in a on/off switch. maybe i'd do that to a PGM if i can ever afford one

The Dark Wolf · 12-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Man, I use my tone and volume knobs all the time! That ain't even enough fer me. I always wanted like maybe an EMG VMC control on a guitar, too. (Variable Mid Control- it's a sweepable, semi-parametric midrange control for bass and guitar.

)

eaeolian · 12-01-2005, 03:50 PM

There was a guy in a local band around here called Rain Fell Within that had a guitar made form Warmoth parts that had no knobs at all - he used a volume pedal, IIRC.

giannifive · 12-01-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Man, I use my tone and volume knobs all the time!

Yeah, same here! I love being able to adjust the crunch level with the guitar's volume pot for a given amp channel setting. And jazz just doesn't sound right unless the tone knob is rolled almost completely towards bass. I've never been able to understand the minimalists who are happy with just a bridge humbucker, no tone, and an on/off switch. Me, I need as many pickup positions as possible, a volume and a tone, and a whammy bar. I'm sure if I ever used a mid-boost like Dark Wolf was talking about I'd need that, too!

Ken · 12-01-2005, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giannifive

Yeah, same here! I love being able to adjust the crunch level with the guitar's volume pot for a given amp channel setting. And jazz just doesn't sound right unless the tone knob is rolled almost completely towards bass. I've never been able to understand the minimalists who are happy with just a bridge humbucker, no tone, and an on/off switch. Me, I need as many pickup positions as possible, a volume and a tone, and a whammy bar. I'm sure if I ever used a mid-boost like Dark Wolf was talking about I'd need that, too!

A minimalist who has that setup only knows one thing: music that sounds like a repetitive punch in the face. They don't use the other shit, so why have it in the way?

12-01-2005, 02:30 PM	#1
Leon {##[====:::. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Ohio Crew Posts: 11,710 Main Seven: RG7620 of Doom Rig: Mesa / Sovtek Thanked: 78	no tone knob? why not no volume? i was thinking today, for those of you who are thinking of axing your tone knob, why stop there? i'm thinking that you could take out the volume pot as well, and possibly replace it with a 2-way switch, for a sort of on/off operation. i'd imagine that make the signal even hotter? just a thought I have a radical idea. The door swings both ways, we could reverse the particle flow through the gate. We'll cross the streams.

12-01-2005, 02:58 PM	#3
Shannon Lovely Dita... • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: W. Seattle, WA Posts: 7,934 Real Name: Shannon Main Seven: Ibanez UV7PWH Rig: Digitech GSP1101 Thanked: 84	You could do it. The Gibson Nikki Sixx Signature Thunderbird bass just had a single on/off switch. That's it. http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAM...ikki-Sixx.html O.S.D.O. : The Smoking Lounge : Jar Of Flies : Your personal hero!

12-01-2005, 03:02 PM	#4
Beelzebloke Fiddich or Morangie??? Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gert Bristle Posts: 387 Real Name: Chris Main Seven: back on the Aria... just love them cheapies !! Rig: 1970s Marshall JMP Thanked: 0	I had a Yamaha years back with no tone knob, I wired in a "kill-switch" ( mini toggle ) for doing staccato nonsense... I never used the volume knob but never though of removing it completely, I wish I'd've thought of that at the time as it would've looked pretty cool. Incidentally it was an early 1xHB version of the RGtype they do now that has a "direct" switch that bypasses the vol&tone circuit altogether. So yeah, as long as you don't use it, and won't ever want to in the future, why not? I gotta admit I never touch the tone or volume pots on the guitar I use for DM. But if I'm playing bluesy stuff on the strat I like using the volume control to get more or less drive into the amp, though of course I could use a volume pedal to do this. Mmm, you've made me wonder now ( imagines 7string "knobless" )... The downside would be the inevitable "where's your knob" gags... www.beelzebike.com

12-01-2005, 03:32 PM	#7
The Dark Wolf *Canis lupis obscurus* • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 15,013 Real Name: Roberto Main Seven: 2001 Ibanez RG2027XVV Rig: GNX/Magicstomp Thanked: 90	Man, I use my tone and volume knobs all the time! That ain't even enough fer me. I always wanted like maybe an EMG VMC control on a guitar, too. (Variable Mid Control- it's a sweepable, semi-parametric midrange control for bass and guitar. ) http://www.wolf.org

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12-01-2005, 02:53 PM	#2
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: location Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 25	An interesting idea. I use the knob for fades every now and then, so the switch wouldn't work for me. I wouldn't miss the tone knob if it fell off because it stays on 10 all the time.

12-01-2005, 03:05 PM	#5
Shannon Lovely Dita... • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: W. Seattle, WA Posts: 7,934 Real Name: Shannon Main Seven: Ibanez UV7PWH Rig: Digitech GSP1101 Thanked: 84	Yeah, I never use the tone on my guitar. However, I use a tone knob on basses quite a bit.

12-01-2005, 03:17 PM	#6
Leon {##[====:::. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Ohio Crew Posts: 11,710 Main Seven: RG7620 of Doom Rig: Mesa / Sovtek Thanked: 78	when i'm rock'n out, i usually leave both volume and tone's at 10, but for not-so-rock'n playing, i love having the added dynamics of the volume and tone to shape the sound. but, if i ever got one of those bridge-pup-only or tone-knobless guitars, i think i'd put in a on/off switch. maybe i'd do that to a PGM if i can ever afford one

12-01-2005, 03:50 PM	#8
eaeolian The Church of SEVEN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 7,999 Real Name: Mike Main Seven: Jackson CS Soloist 7 Rig: Mesa Triple Recto Thanked: 30	There was a guy in a local band around here called Rain Fell Within that had a guitar made form Warmoth parts that had no knobs at all - he used a volume pedal, IIRC.

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