The Pickup DI Track Thread - Page 2

-Nolly- · 06-09-2011, 04:43 PM

Just one thing to say in favour of normalisation:

Everyone will be tracking their DIs at varying levels, so the resulting differences would make it impossible to tell whether one is hotter than another because of the pickup or the way it was tracked. Normalisation at least allows us to gauge the compression characteristic of the pickup on an even playing field.

Rook · 06-09-2011, 04:47 PM

This is true, but how then would you gauge output?

Mind you if it's only the peaks that are limited to (say) -0.1dB, how will the rest of the sound be affected?

-Nolly- · 06-09-2011, 04:49 PM

You can't, but not normalising wouldn't help either

The rest of the sound is unaffected. Normalising is just an automated volume adjustment, it increases the level until the loudest peak is at -0.1db.

SirMyghin · 06-09-2011, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fun111

As for recording, a Hi-Z input is all you really need, you're basically just looking for a buffer between your pickups and sound card/interface. It's not to difficult to get something that's more than good enough. I've had success in the past using a non true bypass pedal's buffer and a mixer, lol.

Funny you mention a buffer I have a BYOC confidence boost sitting infront of me that needs to be built (just a buffer),.. Motivation... maybe.

(it is just an adjustable gain buffer circuit)

Rook · 06-09-2011, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Nolly-

You can't, but not normalising wouldn't help either

The rest of the sound is unaffected. Normalising is just an automated volume adjustment, it increases the level until the loudest peak is at -0.1db.

You're not wrong...

Normalising is starting to make more sense, I guess you'll know from your own experience with your setup whether something coming out excessively hot.

Kyle, in theory, a transconductance amplifier should have unity gain

EDIT: I should stop calling you by an abbreviated screen name, man

SirMyghin · 06-09-2011, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fun111

You're not wrong...

Normalising is starting to make more sense, I guess you'll know from your own experience with your setup whether something coming out excessively hot.

Kyle, in theory, a transconductance amplifier should have unity gain

EDIT: I should stop calling you by an abbreviated screen name, man

Aye, but I can adjust it to unity so its all dandy. Kyle is fine, I am not picky. I have to actually solder the whore though, not to mention make a few cables and fix one.

Rook · 06-09-2011, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

Aye, but I can adjust it to unity so its all dandy. Kyle is fine, I am not picky. I have to actually solder the whore though, not to mention make a few cables and fix one.

I'm quoting this because I have no idea whether it's intentional or not but it's hilarious.

SirMyghin · 06-09-2011, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fun111

I'm quoting this because I have no idea whether it's intentional or not but it's hilarious.

Not sure why that is funny, I have a PCb and some components to solder to make the buffer thing. The buffer is the whore.

FrancescoFiligoi · 06-09-2011, 06:25 PM

Thanks a bunch Nolly, just tried all these DIs thru a quick setup (Peavey Revalver, better than nothing) and I have to say I'm EXTREMELY impressed with the Black Dog. For sure my favourite between these.

guambomb832 · 06-09-2011, 06:35 PM

This might be a burden, but for us ERG players out there that want to hear how BKPs sound with 8 strings, if anyone does DI's of the 8 string BKPs, I'll be a happy camper!

stuglue · 06-10-2011, 02:02 AM

I suggest that we keep the recording level to no more than -2db, if we get clipping in a DI it can't be removed and sounds horrible. Use your input trim (if you have one) on your mixer and you'll be fine.
If anyone is using Cubase it does have a function to analyse your audio and show you both peak and average volume. Its the average that we are most concerned about rather than the peak.

-Nolly- · 06-10-2011, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrancescoFiligoi

Thanks a bunch Nolly, just tried all these DIs thru a quick setup (Peavey Revalver, better than nothing) and I have to say I'm EXTREMELY impressed with the Black Dog. For sure my favourite between these.

Yeah, I loved the Black Dog, it's got such a snarly attack and the lean bass due to the lower wind works very nicely to control the Les Paul's low end.

Rook · 06-10-2011, 03:31 AM

I guess the best thing now is to get a couple of clips up here and we'll see how we go!

SirMyghin · 06-10-2011, 01:07 PM

Had the ASAT out today (not the C66 w/ Rebel Yells) so this is what you get, I am not typically a metal player but I pretended (at about 1/2 metal speed probably) so you folks can pretend as I wank some open power chords and palm muting. Tomorrow or the next time I pick up the C66 i'll do up the BKPs reall quick (hog body, maple cap, maple neck, RW board, floyd)

I was really surprised how good the chords sounded direct in though. Don't worry the poser metal is right after the chords, the second time you hear the chords I did a quick throw to the neck pickup for reference.

Normalized to -0.1, I think, hopefully? Used a normalize function and a peak limitter but I don't think it engaged so should be good.

Pickup Brand: G&L
Model: ASAT special
Magnet Type (if optional): Ceramic
Position: Bridge / Neck, no in between, switches with hearing long chords
Guitar woods (body/neck/fingerboard): swamp ash/maple/maple
Bridge type (e.g. floyd rose, tunomatic): G&L saddle lock
And if it matters to some : played with my agate pick (influences attack)

http://www.filedropper.com/dryasatspec

The link has arrived. (recorded 192k , 32 bit for those wanting such info, it is something like 100mb, I can make it smaller if you guys want but compression likely defeats the purpose)

We should really put together a standard riff set/bitrate, etc

Konfyouzd · 06-10-2011, 01:09 PM

For clarification sake... Is this like an audible version of our "___ Pickup Guide(s)"?

SirMyghin · 06-10-2011, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konfyouzd

For clarification sake... Is this like an audible version of our "___ Pickup Guide(s)"?

Kind of, the idea is if you reamp these DI signals, you can hear the 'guitar' and pickups through your own rig.

joaocunha · 06-10-2011, 01:39 PM

This guitar: https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/4533...ilver?h=4c3f6c

Woods: Alder with maple top, maple neck and ebony fretboard;
Bridge: TonePros fixed bridge;

I can contribute with these models:

============ BRIDGE MODELS ============

dimarzio-dp102-x2n-bridge-clean.wav

dimarzio-dp102-x2n-bridge-riff.wav

dimarzio-dp102-x2n-bridge-solo.wav

dimarzio-dp191-air-classic-bridge-clean.wav

dimarzio-dp191-air-classic-bridge-riff.wav

dimarzio-dp191-air-classic-bridge-solo.wav

dimarzio-dp197-virtual-paf-bridge-clean.wav

dimarzio-dp197-virtual-paf-bridge-riff.wav

dimarzio-dp197-virtual-paf-bridge-solo.wav

motor-city-pickups-solution-bridge-clean.wav

motor-city-pickups-solution-bridge-riff.wav

motor-city-pickups-solution-bridge-solo.wav

rio-grande-tx-bridge-clean.wav

rio-grande-tx-bridge-riff.wav

rio-grande-tx-bridge-solo.wav

seymour-duncan-sh1b-bridge-clean.wav

seymour-duncan-sh1b-bridge-riff.wav

seymour-duncan-sh1b-bridge-solo.wav

seymour-duncan-sh14-bridge-clean.wav

seymour-duncan-sh14-bridge-riff.wav

seymour-duncan-sh14-bridge-solo.wav

============ NECK MODELS============

bare-knuckle-pickups-cold-sweat-neck-clean.wav

bare-knuckle-pickups-cold-sweat-neck-solo.wav

dimarzio-dp190-air-classic-neck-clean.wav

dimarzio-dp190-air-classic-neck-solo.wav

dimarzio-dp193-air-norton-neck-clean.wav

dimarzio-dp193-air-norton-neck-solo.wav

motor-city-pickups-solution-neck-clean.wav

motor-city-pickups-solution-neck-solo.wav

---------------------

I have missed this thread and posted my own. Sorry for not having time to upload them all to soundclick.

You might want to take a look at the original thread as well: My pickup collection (tons of sound samples)

SirMyghin · 06-10-2011, 01:41 PM

^^^

wow, that is quite the archive.

Konfyouzd · 06-10-2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

Kind of, the idea is if you reamp these DI signals, you can hear the 'guitar' and pickups through your own rig.

o_O

Holy shit that sounds cool.

joaocunha · 06-10-2011, 02:28 PM

I really enjoyed doing these recordings. Check out how tight DiMarzio Virtual PAF is. My favorite ones are MCP Solutions anyway

stuglue · 06-10-2011, 03:23 PM

thanks for these Joao, incidentally what do you think to the X2N? I had one in a 6 string strat rip off for a while and although the bottom end was huge, it was a bit brittle in the highs

joaocunha · 06-10-2011, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuglue

thanks for these Joao, incidentally what do you think to the X2N? I had one in a 6 string strat rip off for a while and although the bottom end was huge, it was a bit brittle in the highs

I have always heard about it being overkill, that it doesn't clean and such, and now I'm pretty sure all of these statements are true. Even with a really low gain setting, X2N distorts. If it's a good or bad thing, well, it's up to you.

Personally I liked it for heavy sounds only, definitely not an overall pickup. It does have a huge bottom end indeed, but doesn't cut through good enough. There are far better options around when it comes to extreme output, like the BKP Warpig.

Rook · 06-10-2011, 04:37 PM

This thread's getting pretty cool!

I'll be adding Crunch Lab, Liquifire, Mo'Joe, PAF Joe, and possibly the Fender pickups in my strat tomorrow hopefully.

JamesM · 06-10-2011, 04:39 PM

Should put all these in the OP.

Rook · 06-10-2011, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Armada

Should put all these in the OP.

Yeah, I should!

EDIT: Done, I'll keep putting members' contributions in the OP until it gets a bit excessive then I'll start just listing them by brand and model with a link to the post here they are taken from for more info. EVERYONE will be credited for their contributions in the OP next to the clip, and I've repped everyone who's contributed thus far

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06-09-2011, 04:43 PM	#26
-Nolly- Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bath, UK Posts: 2,621 Thanked: 116 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Just one thing to say in favour of normalisation: Everyone will be tracking their DIs at varying levels, so the resulting differences would make it impossible to tell whether one is hotter than another because of the pickup or the way it was tracked. Normalisation at least allows us to gauge the compression characteristic of the pickup on an even playing field. EtherealEntity likes this. Top Secret \| Band \| Clips \| Pics \| Tumblr

06-09-2011, 04:47 PM	#27
Rook Electrifying Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 7,552 Thanked: 109 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	This is true, but how then would you gauge output? Mind you if it's only the peaks that are limited to (say) -0.1dB, how will the rest of the sound be affected? Formerly known as Fun111, don't be thrown off by the avatar!!!!!! My Soundcloud My project on Facebook: Rook

06-09-2011, 04:49 PM	#28
-Nolly- Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bath, UK Posts: 2,621 Thanked: 116 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	You can't, but not normalising wouldn't help either The rest of the sound is unaffected. Normalising is just an automated volume adjustment, it increases the level until the loudest peak is at -0.1db. Top Secret \| Band \| Clips \| Pics \| Tumblr

06-09-2011, 06:25 PM	#34
FrancescoFiligoi Count Blastula Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Italy Posts: 1,303 Thanked: 52 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Thanks a bunch Nolly, just tried all these DIs thru a quick setup (Peavey Revalver, better than nothing) and I have to say I'm EXTREMELY impressed with the Black Dog. For sure my favourite between these. Now teaching on BANDHAPPY

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06-09-2011, 06:35 PM	#35
guambomb832 Hwat you call me? Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Spring, Texas! Posts: 753 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This might be a burden, but for us ERG players out there that want to hear how BKPs sound with 8 strings, if anyone does DI's of the 8 string BKPs, I'll be a happy camper! You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into the boy's hole. Check out my band!

06-10-2011, 02:02 AM	#36
stuglue SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: W Yorkshire Posts: 660 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I suggest that we keep the recording level to no more than -2db, if we get clipping in a DI it can't be removed and sounds horrible. Use your input trim (if you have one) on your mixer and you'll be fine. If anyone is using Cubase it does have a function to analyse your audio and show you both peak and average volume. Its the average that we are most concerned about rather than the peak.

06-10-2011, 03:31 AM	#38
Rook Electrifying Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 7,552 Thanked: 109 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I guess the best thing now is to get a couple of clips up here and we'll see how we go! Formerly known as Fun111, don't be thrown off by the avatar!!!!!! My Soundcloud My project on Facebook: Rook

06-10-2011, 01:07 PM	#39
SirMyghin The Dirt Guy Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Anywhere but here. Posts: 7,157 Thanked: 41 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Had the ASAT out today (not the C66 w/ Rebel Yells) so this is what you get, I am not typically a metal player but I pretended (at about 1/2 metal speed probably) so you folks can pretend as I wank some open power chords and palm muting. Tomorrow or the next time I pick up the C66 i'll do up the BKPs reall quick (hog body, maple cap, maple neck, RW board, floyd) I was really surprised how good the chords sounded direct in though. Don't worry the poser metal is right after the chords, the second time you hear the chords I did a quick throw to the neck pickup for reference. Normalized to -0.1, I think, hopefully? Used a normalize function and a peak limitter but I don't think it engaged so should be good. Pickup Brand: G&L Model: ASAT special Magnet Type (if optional): Ceramic Position: Bridge / Neck, no in between, switches with hearing long chords Guitar woods (body/neck/fingerboard): swamp ash/maple/maple Bridge type (e.g. floyd rose, tunomatic): G&L saddle lock And if it matters to some : played with my agate pick (influences attack) http://www.filedropper.com/dryasatspec The link has arrived. (recorded 192k , 32 bit for those wanting such info, it is something like 100mb, I can make it smaller if you guys want but compression likely defeats the purpose) We should really put together a standard riff set/bitrate, etc Guitar techs are for sissies. Learn some damn music theory, don't complain, and you'll be a better person. -Schecterwhore Show me a truly awesome guitar for under $1000 and I'll show you hateful lies.

06-10-2011, 01:09 PM	#40
Konfyouzd Dread-I Master Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mars Posts: 15,665 Thanked: 191 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	For clarification sake... Is this like an audible version of our "___ Pickup Guide(s)"? "... and on either side of the river was the tree of life. The leaves of this tree were for the healing of nations." "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and the herb for the service of man." "Lifes too short to hate Floyd Roses."

06-10-2011, 01:39 PM	#42
joaocunha Djent Motherfucker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Praia Grande, SP - Brazil Posts: 408 Thanked: 9 Feedback Score: 27 reviews	This guitar: https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/4533...ilver?h=4c3f6c Woods: Alder with maple top, maple neck and ebony fretboard; Bridge: TonePros fixed bridge; I can contribute with these models: ============ BRIDGE MODELS ============ dimarzio-dp102-x2n-bridge-clean.wav dimarzio-dp102-x2n-bridge-riff.wav dimarzio-dp102-x2n-bridge-solo.wav dimarzio-dp191-air-classic-bridge-clean.wav dimarzio-dp191-air-classic-bridge-riff.wav dimarzio-dp191-air-classic-bridge-solo.wav dimarzio-dp197-virtual-paf-bridge-clean.wav dimarzio-dp197-virtual-paf-bridge-riff.wav dimarzio-dp197-virtual-paf-bridge-solo.wav motor-city-pickups-solution-bridge-clean.wav motor-city-pickups-solution-bridge-riff.wav motor-city-pickups-solution-bridge-solo.wav rio-grande-tx-bridge-clean.wav rio-grande-tx-bridge-riff.wav rio-grande-tx-bridge-solo.wav seymour-duncan-sh1b-bridge-clean.wav seymour-duncan-sh1b-bridge-riff.wav seymour-duncan-sh1b-bridge-solo.wav seymour-duncan-sh14-bridge-clean.wav seymour-duncan-sh14-bridge-riff.wav seymour-duncan-sh14-bridge-solo.wav ============ NECK MODELS============ bare-knuckle-pickups-cold-sweat-neck-clean.wav bare-knuckle-pickups-cold-sweat-neck-solo.wav dimarzio-dp190-air-classic-neck-clean.wav dimarzio-dp190-air-classic-neck-solo.wav dimarzio-dp193-air-norton-neck-clean.wav dimarzio-dp193-air-norton-neck-solo.wav motor-city-pickups-solution-neck-clean.wav motor-city-pickups-solution-neck-solo.wav --------------------- I have missed this thread and posted my own. Sorry for not having time to upload them all to soundclick. You might want to take a look at the original thread as well: My pickup collection (tons of sound samples) Nice deals with: zimbloth, Leon, slimegod, TMM, angus, 7 Dying Trees, OrsusMetal, iondestroyer1527, mgcasella, lobee, zomb13, Elysian, Toshiro, smith10210, tecniq, maxident213, code001, Galius, turmoil, highlordmugfug, Revan132, beneharris, MastrXploder, jordanky, Jstring, myampslouder, Michael T, Levi79, Aurochs34

06-10-2011, 01:41 PM	#43
SirMyghin The Dirt Guy Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Anywhere but here. Posts: 7,157 Thanked: 41 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	^^^ wow, that is quite the archive. Guitar techs are for sissies. Learn some damn music theory, don't complain, and you'll be a better person. -Schecterwhore Show me a truly awesome guitar for under $1000 and I'll show you hateful lies.

06-10-2011, 02:28 PM	#45
joaocunha Djent Motherfucker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Praia Grande, SP - Brazil Posts: 408 Thanked: 9 Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I really enjoyed doing these recordings. Check out how tight DiMarzio Virtual PAF is. My favorite ones are MCP Solutions anyway Nice deals with: zimbloth, Leon, slimegod, TMM, angus, 7 Dying Trees, OrsusMetal, iondestroyer1527, mgcasella, lobee, zomb13, Elysian, Toshiro, smith10210, tecniq, maxident213, code001, Galius, turmoil, highlordmugfug, Revan132, beneharris, MastrXploder, jordanky, Jstring, myampslouder, Michael T, Levi79, Aurochs34

06-10-2011, 03:23 PM	#46
stuglue SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: W Yorkshire Posts: 660 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks for these Joao, incidentally what do you think to the X2N? I had one in a 6 string strat rip off for a while and although the bottom end was huge, it was a bit brittle in the highs

06-10-2011, 04:37 PM	#48
Rook Electrifying Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 7,552 Thanked: 109 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	This thread's getting pretty cool! I'll be adding Crunch Lab, Liquifire, Mo'Joe, PAF Joe, and possibly the Fender pickups in my strat tomorrow hopefully. Formerly known as Fun111, don't be thrown off by the avatar!!!!!! My Soundcloud My project on Facebook: Rook

06-10-2011, 04:39 PM	#49
JamesM The Armada Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 6,925 Thanked: 87 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Should put all these in the OP. Cloudyhead. Facebook//Twitter//Bandcamp Watch:1,2,3,4,5 Debut Album, Abstraction out now!

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