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Unread 06-09-2011, 04:43 PM   #26
 
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Just one thing to say in favour of normalisation:

Everyone will be tracking their DIs at varying levels, so the resulting differences would make it impossible to tell whether one is hotter than another because of the pickup or the way it was tracked. Normalisation at least allows us to gauge the compression characteristic of the pickup on an even playing field.
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This is true, but how then would you gauge output?

Mind you if it's only the peaks that are limited to (say) -0.1dB, how will the rest of the sound be affected?

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You can't, but not normalising wouldn't help either
The rest of the sound is unaffected. Normalising is just an automated volume adjustment, it increases the level until the loudest peak is at -0.1db.
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As for recording, a Hi-Z input is all you really need, you're basically just looking for a buffer between your pickups and sound card/interface. It's not to difficult to get something that's more than good enough. I've had success in the past using a non true bypass pedal's buffer and a mixer, lol.
Funny you mention a buffer I have a BYOC confidence boost sitting infront of me that needs to be built (just a buffer),.. Motivation... maybe. (it is just an adjustable gain buffer circuit)

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You can't, but not normalising wouldn't help either
The rest of the sound is unaffected. Normalising is just an automated volume adjustment, it increases the level until the loudest peak is at -0.1db.
You're not wrong...

Normalising is starting to make more sense, I guess you'll know from your own experience with your setup whether something coming out excessively hot.


Kyle, in theory, a transconductance amplifier should have unity gain

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Normalising is starting to make more sense, I guess you'll know from your own experience with your setup whether something coming out excessively hot.


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Aye, but I can adjust it to unity so its all dandy. Kyle is fine, I am not picky. I have to actually solder the whore though, not to mention make a few cables and fix one.

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Aye, but I can adjust it to unity so its all dandy. Kyle is fine, I am not picky. I have to actually solder the whore though, not to mention make a few cables and fix one.
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I'm quoting this because I have no idea whether it's intentional or not but it's hilarious.
Not sure why that is funny, I have a PCb and some components to solder to make the buffer thing. The buffer is the whore.

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Thanks a bunch Nolly, just tried all these DIs thru a quick setup (Peavey Revalver, better than nothing) and I have to say I'm EXTREMELY impressed with the Black Dog. For sure my favourite between these.
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I suggest that we keep the recording level to no more than -2db, if we get clipping in a DI it can't be removed and sounds horrible. Use your input trim (if you have one) on your mixer and you'll be fine.
If anyone is using Cubase it does have a function to analyse your audio and show you both peak and average volume. Its the average that we are most concerned about rather than the peak.
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Yeah, I loved the Black Dog, it's got such a snarly attack and the lean bass due to the lower wind works very nicely to control the Les Paul's low end.
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Had the ASAT out today (not the C66 w/ Rebel Yells) so this is what you get, I am not typically a metal player but I pretended (at about 1/2 metal speed probably) so you folks can pretend as I wank some open power chords and palm muting. Tomorrow or the next time I pick up the C66 i'll do up the BKPs reall quick (hog body, maple cap, maple neck, RW board, floyd)

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For clarification sake... Is this like an audible version of our "___ Pickup Guide(s)"?



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Kind of, the idea is if you reamp these DI signals, you can hear the 'guitar' and pickups through your own rig.

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I really enjoyed doing these recordings. Check out how tight DiMarzio Virtual PAF is. My favorite ones are MCP Solutions anyway

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thanks for these Joao, incidentally what do you think to the X2N? I had one in a 6 string strat rip off for a while and although the bottom end was huge, it was a bit brittle in the highs
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I have always heard about it being overkill, that it doesn't clean and such, and now I'm pretty sure all of these statements are true. Even with a really low gain setting, X2N distorts. If it's a good or bad thing, well, it's up to you.

Personally I liked it for heavy sounds only, definitely not an overall pickup. It does have a huge bottom end indeed, but doesn't cut through good enough. There are far better options around when it comes to extreme output, like the BKP Warpig.

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This thread's getting pretty cool!

I'll be adding Crunch Lab, Liquifire, Mo'Joe, PAF Joe, and possibly the Fender pickups in my strat tomorrow hopefully.

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