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Unread 01-20-2011, 05:31 PM   #1
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Carvin - Replacing pickups without routing?

I have a Carvin on the way and I'm already thinking about pickup replacement (I know, I'll try them first).
So, that's the question: is there a way to change the pickups on a Carvin without routing the guitar? I've seen that it's possible to replacing the pickups by cutting/sanding something on the pickups, but I'm not sure. I'd like to know if any Carvin users done this and how is this done.

Also, if someone could give me some suggestions for pickups too, just in case if you know. The Carvin is Alder/Maple (neckthrough)/Rosewood. I'm looking for a jazz sound on the neck cleans and nice distortion tones from the bridge, like tech death stuff. Like Cynic (Neck and Bridge) or Necrophagist (Bridge).

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Unread 01-20-2011, 05:40 PM   #2
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Strange that you've chosen rosewood as fretboard wood...basing on your tastes and the body/neck woods, I think ebony would have suited a bit better.

Anyway, I'd recommend something like an Air Norton for the neck, and a BKP Miracle Man for the bridge. The Air Norton provides beautiful cleans and a fantastic lead tone, the MM is a true beast when paired with maple/alder guitars.
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Strange that you've chosen rosewood as fretboard wood...basing on your tastes and the body/neck woods, I think ebony would have suited a bit better.

Anyway, I'd recommend something like an Air Norton for the neck, and a BKP Miracle Man for the bridge. The Air Norton provides beautiful cleans and a fantastic lead tone, the MM is a true beast when paired with maple/alder guitars.
It's an used guitar, I couldn't choose Also, the rosewood looks awesome, it's really beautiful and also adds a little bit of warmth to the tone.

I've been suggested a MM set previously, I've only heard good things about it. I'm leaning towards it, but I'll check the AN neck too! Thanks, dude!
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Fretboard woods are for looking pretty :P

I have been told direct mount carvin routes Dimarzios will drop in, what model do you have? BKPs will need some mod to the baseplate and the width of routes to fit (even open coil) with the direct mount routes. Working on Open coils here btw. I recently put a set of BKPs in my C66, had to trim the tabs (for some reason they were triangles not the squares I always see), had to round the corner radii more, and had to widen the routes a bit. As well as ream for direct mounting. The rebel yells were just a hint too wide in the bobbins/winds so I had to widen the route a touch.
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Fretboard woods are for looking pretty :P

I have been told direct mount carvin routes Dimarzios will drop in, what model do you have? BKPs will need some mod to the baseplate and the width of routes to fit (even open coil) with the direct mount routes. Working on Open coils here btw. I recently put a set of BKPs in my C66, had to trim the tabs (for some reason they were triangles not the squares I always see), had to round the corner radii more, and had to widen the routes a bit. As well as ream for direct mounting. The rebel yells were just a hint too wide in the bobbins/winds so I had to widen the route a touch.
That looks like a lot of work, and I just want to route the guitar in last resort, she is so beautiful

The model is DC747
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That looks like a lot of work, and I just want to route the guitar in last resort, she is so beautiful

The model is DC747
You will need to do some work on a 747 for sure. The 7 pickups are sized smaller than dimarzios even. Hope you like the stock ones, they can do just about everything, and are very transparent. But they are slightly scooped and lacking presence, fair amount of string pull. I know a guy who just did up some D-activators into his 7, and used a dremel w/ sanding/grinding bit (fine) to elarge his routes without damaging the finish. You could even make little templates to do so. As mine were a bit snug on 6's I opened up the route BELOW the top sufarce as I could get the picking in, and it taperred a bit, so never touched the surface to have a chance to marr it, but allows adjustability. PM if you want to talk more about it, I might be able to give some specific pointers.
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On the Carvin site, it has been mentioned that only the 6-string models have had the routes changed to be more accommodating to aftermarket pickups. The 7-string models have been left in the stone age.

I'm interested in this topic as well, since my new 727 will be here next week (hopefully!). I know from experience that the base plates of Dimarzio 7-string pickups usually aren't metal (my CL/LF combo for my RGA7 had the strange glass/resin stuff). Mine were really easy to trim back to fit under EMG-style pickup covers, so I imagine it would be the same when it comes to installing them in a 7*7 guitar.

Good luck! Be sure to let us know how it all goes down. There's not much detailed information out there on this topic, at least without a really deep search.

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On the Carvin site, it has been mentioned that only the 6-string models have had the routes changed to be more accommodating to aftermarket pickups. The 7-string models have been left in the stone age.

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Not quite, the Carvin routes were changed, for RING MOUNT only, to accomodate the coverred pickups carvin added to their selection. Direct mount routes cannot get coverred pickups and remained unchanged. The day Carvin makes it easier to put in pickups that aren't theirs will be a very good day.
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Hhhmmm I'd actually be interested in some input here. I own a DC727 and I want to change the stock bridge pickup for a Crunch Lab 7.

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The thing is, if the difference is in the depth of the cavity, then the guitar needs routing. If the difference is in the length of the cavity, then I could just sand that metal part on the bottom of the pickup, right?
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What about some Oni pups? Dan would probably be able to engineer something to fit without modification, and the pickups would blow the Carvins out of the water.

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What about some Oni pups? Dan would probably be able to engineer something to fit without modification, and the pickups would blow the Carvins out of the water.
There are guys who run GFS pickups and have them blow Carvins out of the water
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Not quite, the Carvin routes were changed, for RING MOUNT only, to accomodate the coverred pickups carvin added to their selection. Direct mount routes cannot get coverred pickups and remained unchanged. The day Carvin makes it easier to put in pickups that aren't theirs will be a very good day.
Well, there you have it, then.

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What about some Oni pups? Dan would probably be able to engineer something to fit without modification, and the pickups would blow the Carvins out of the water.
Are they really good? I love Oni guitars but I never heard anything about their pickups.
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Are they really good? I love Oni guitars but I never heard anything about their pickups.
I mine, and I've never considered replacing them. I need to do some clips. I've got them in several of my soundclick recordings.

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I mine, and I've never considered replacing them. I need to do some clips. I've got them in several of my soundclick recordings.
but he makes them depending on the woods of the guitar or he has only one model?
also, I need to worry about taxes and customs
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but he makes them depending on the woods of the guitar or he has only one model?
also, I need to worry about taxes and customs
Mine were all completely made-to-order.

The situation with customs might be a deterrent. In the USA, we have some pretty nice trade agreements with Australia. I'm not sure of the trade situation in the EU.

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Mine were all completely made-to-order.

The situation with customs might be a deterrent. In the USA, we have some pretty nice trade agreements with Australia. I'm not sure of the trade situation in the EU.
I think it will depend on the price. A lot, really. Do you know, more or less, how much it would cost?
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I think it will depend on the price. A lot, really. Do you know, more or less, how much it would cost?
I'd suggest checking out the Oni website and emailing dan at oniguitars. Maybe Dan can share some experience shipping to the EU.

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I'd suggest checking out the Oni website and emailing dan at oniguitars. Maybe Dan can share some experience shipping to the EU.
I just emailed him, thanks for your help, dude!
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