Kahler vs Floyd Rose

nienturi · 08-15-2006, 01:53 PM

According to your experiences, which one would you pick up?

I know that lo pro edges and edges (for ibanez) are good. But even they go out of tune more easyly than kahlers'.

I have plans to get my own guitar built. So, i must decide well. Now, my decision is edge7 or lo pro edge7 (mostly lo pro edge7)

But i want my guitar has a tremolo unit, floating type. Moreover i want it to be in tune well, especially on bending... Shortly i need experinces, dudes...

Scott · 08-15-2006, 02:04 PM

Kahler. Never played on one. But the fact that they are universal for lefties and righties is enough for me

MetalMike · 08-15-2006, 04:09 PM

Go for the lo-pro with a tremol-no. I've never played the new kahlers but the old ones I have played were more difficult to set up, but that could be because of how familar I am with the ibanez trems.

Have you thought about the OFR7?

eaeolian · 08-15-2006, 04:18 PM

OFR all the way. If you want it to stay in tune, anyway.

noodles · 08-15-2006, 04:24 PM

I'm a big fan of Kahler from way back, but even I have to admit that an OFR is more stable. The big strike against Kahler is that it is not double-locking. Steinberger, which has a similar cam design, solved this problem with double ball ends.

Kahler is definately more stable than anything Ibanez makes, short of the ZRF.

Durero · 08-15-2006, 04:45 PM

I've had quite a few years worth of experience with both. Absolutely hands down I'd choose a Kahler. The cam design has a much smoother feel than a knife edge. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for 7 and 8 string Kahler availability, which is supposed to happen this year.

Toshiro · 08-15-2006, 05:55 PM

My Edge trems never go out of tune, and I've owned an OFR and a Floyd Pro. Kahler was a neat design, but I wouldn't want one.

I remember having to solder my friend's string wraps on his BCRich because we couldn't get the reinforced GHS strings for his Kahler.

Loserchief · 08-15-2006, 06:11 PM

Kahlers require less routing in the guitar, so a kahler equipped guitar usually has a fuller and more woody tone compared to one with a floyd or something similar. The range is pretty much the same on both systems, but the kahler has less resistance and smoother feel when moving the bar.
With the stringlocks closed and a well cut nut, the stability of a kahler is the same as an OFR, but it's so much easier to work with.
I'd choose Kahlers over FR in most cases, but they are very expensive and there are almost no guitars that come stock with them.

that guy · 08-15-2006, 07:08 PM

kahler all the way man ,you can adjust the crap outta them (as in left righ up down) and they do have locking knuts .. look at the website

darren · 08-15-2006, 07:10 PM

Didn't later Kahlers also have Floyd-style locking nuts with integrated string retainers? (Or did those come only with Kahler's Floyd-licensed trems?)

I had a Lado with a Kahler for years, and it was super-smooth, and diving or pulling up didn't change the string height in relation to the pickups, which is another huge benefit of the Kahler design.

But man, did i ever get sick of soldering all my plain ball-ends.

08-15-2006, 01:53 PM	#1
nienturi Cizmeli Kedi Customs Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Eskisehir Posts: 339 Real Name: Baris SAHIN Main Seven: Custom RG7321 Rig: POD 2.0 Thanked: 11	Kahler vs Floyd Rose According to your experiences, which one would you pick up? I know that lo pro edges and edges (for ibanez) are good. But even they go out of tune more easyly than kahlers'. I have plans to get my own guitar built. So, i must decide well. Now, my decision is edge7 or lo pro edge7 (mostly lo pro edge7) But i want my guitar has a tremolo unit, floating type. Moreover i want it to be in tune well, especially on bending... Shortly i need experinces, dudes...

08-15-2006, 02:04 PM	#2
Scott Aye. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USS Enterprise Posts: 5,402 Real Name: James Doohan Rig: Transporter Thanked: 41	Kahler. Never played on one. But the fact that they are universal for lefties and righties is enough for me POOF!

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MetalMike IKILLUWITHMYBALDHEAD Join Date: May 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,103 Real Name: Mike Main Seven: RG7CST Rig: Peavey JSX Thanked: 7 $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $MetalMike is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Go for the lo-pro with a tremol-no. I've never played the new kahlers but the old ones I have played were more difficult to set up, but that could be because of how familar I am with the ibanez trems. Have you thought about the OFR7? -Mike My Recordings

08-15-2006, 04:18 PM	#4
eaeolian The Church of SEVEN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 8,076 Real Name: Mike Main Seven: Jackson CS Soloist 7 Rig: Mesa Triple Recto Thanked: 30	OFR all the way. If you want it to stay in tune, anyway. Division - American metal that doesn't suck. Much. Even on MySpace, and Soundclick, too.

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08-15-2006, 04:45 PM	#6
Durero prototyping... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 3,740 Real Name: Leo Pedersen Main Seven: Raven 7 - my design Main ERG: Ergo 10, Ergo 9, Stick 8 Rig: 2101LTD>TS100>2x1936 Thanked: 36	I've had quite a few years worth of experience with both. Absolutely hands down I'd choose a Kahler. The cam design has a much smoother feel than a knife edge. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for 7 and 8 string Kahler availability, which is supposed to happen this year.

08-15-2006, 05:55 PM	#7
Toshiro Lazy Basterd Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Port Orange, FL Posts: 4,572 Main Seven: Schecter C7 Blackjack Rig: Laney GH50L & GT8 Thanked: 11	My Edge trems never go out of tune, and I've owned an OFR and a Floyd Pro. Kahler was a neat design, but I wouldn't want one. I remember having to solder my friend's string wraps on his BCRich because we couldn't get the reinforced GHS strings for his Kahler. Um, Like Sound Files and Stuff ^_^ oh yeah, and some crappy videos too!

08-15-2006, 06:11 PM	#8
Loserchief Rokuban Taicho Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Munich; Germany Posts: 427 Real Name: Daniel Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser Rig: Engl Sovereign+ Cab Thanked: 2	Kahlers require less routing in the guitar, so a kahler equipped guitar usually has a fuller and more woody tone compared to one with a floyd or something similar. The range is pretty much the same on both systems, but the kahler has less resistance and smoother feel when moving the bar. With the stringlocks closed and a well cut nut, the stability of a kahler is the same as an OFR, but it's so much easier to work with. I'd choose Kahlers over FR in most cases, but they are very expensive and there are almost no guitars that come stock with them.

08-15-2006, 07:08 PM	#9
that guy ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio .TX Posts: 588 Real Name: matt Main Seven: non-existent Rig: B-52 stealth series Thanked: 0	kahler all the way man ,you can adjust the crap outta them (as in left righ up down) and they do have locking knuts .. look at the website smokey the bear is way more intense in person

08-15-2006, 07:10 PM	#10
darren Mr. Negative Pants™ Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 8,032 Main Seven: modded Dean EVO Special 7 Main ERG: Agile Intrepid Standard Rig: Mesa F-30 -> Thiele Thanked: 42	Didn't later Kahlers also have Floyd-style locking nuts with integrated string retainers? (Or did those come only with Kahler's Floyd-licensed trems?) I had a Lado with a Kahler for years, and it was super-smooth, and diving or pulling up didn't change the string height in relation to the pickups, which is another huge benefit of the Kahler design. But man, did i ever get sick of soldering all my plain ball-ends.

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