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Unread 12-23-2008, 12:21 PM   #501
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Well, all other bullshit (and good) ideas aside, we know that energy can not be created or destroyed, only used/harnessed in some way. Your mind can not be destroyed, being in some way an energetic process, although the physical receptor (the brain) very well can be. I know that is a somewhat odd way of looking at it, but I'm in no way religious. I really dislike religion, actually.. but I can't simply get past this idea.
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Well, all other bullshit (and good) ideas aside, we know that energy can not be created or destroyed, only used/harnessed in some way. Your mind can not be destroyed, being in some way an energetic process, although the physical receptor (the brain) very well can be. I know that is a somewhat odd way of looking at it, but I'm in no way religious. I really dislike religion, actually.. but I can't simply get past this idea.
Or turned into matter...

Look, the energy and matter constructing the brain may not be destructible, but that doesn't mean it can't be reconfigured in a much less useful way.

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The difference is, I'm assuming that there's some sort of conscious energy recieved by the brain, rather than the brain mysteriously producing what we know to be the human mind. The other difference is that I don't have a problem with whatever it is you believe.
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You can believe whatever you want, but that justification just didn't fit well - there are far too many other possible configurations of the same amount of matter and energy, that's all.

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The difference is, I'm assuming that there's some sort of conscious energy recieved by the brain, rather than the brain mysteriously producing what we know to be the human mind. The other difference is that I don't have a problem with whatever it is you believe.
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The difference is, I'm assuming that there's some sort of conscious energy recieved by the brain, rather than the brain mysteriously producing what we know to be the human mind. The other difference is that I don't have a problem with whatever it is you believe.
OK, so where does this concious energy come from? You said in a previous post that you don't believe that energy can be created or destroyed*...

Are you trying to say that the energy required for conciousness is somehow different to the chemical energy that eating food provides?

We know more or less how the brain works (chemical and electrical triggers & receptors), that brain chemistry & construction has an affect on abstract things like mood, memory, personality (personality disorders because of physical problems with the brain)... and that abstractions like thoughts & moods can have an affect on the chemistry & construction of the hardware (you can train your memory, plus reactions to things like danger).

There's a heck of a lot of energy being used between our ears - thinking burns a lot of resources!

Anyway, if the energy that our brain consumes - and, as a product of this, our thoughts and personality and soul - isn't from our food, where does it come from?? Computers don't work if you don't plug them in...

To my thinking this is where the whole dualist view kind of fails. Where does this 'energy' come from? How does it interact with the natural universe? As more advanced animals obviously have what we call 'personalities' how do we classify them?

Too many questions, and that's without any reference to higher powers or deities.

* JBroll is absolutely right in saying that you can convert matter to energy - nuclear energy is an example of this - although I'm personally not sure if the reverse is true, it may be. Actually, you can look at matter as essentially a potential for energy and nothing else.

FWIW energy at the quantum level appears to spontaneously appear & disappear, and because of this there are situations where supposedly the amount of energy in the universe may increase or decrease (particle/antiparticle creation at the event horizon of a black hole which catches one of the pair but not both), but this is all somewhat theoretical and way above my head!!

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I just want to say that it wasn't my intention to drag this shit over into the Epic Phail Picture Thread, my picture was merely stating the fail that was someone trying to neg rep me, and it didn't count, hence the failure.
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I just want to say that it wasn't my intention to drag this shit over into the Epic Phail Picture Thread, my picture was merely stating the fail that was someone trying to neg rep me, and it didn't count, hence the failure.
The only thing I can't figure out is WHY did that one get closed but this one is STILL open?
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The only thing I can't figure out is WHY did that one get closed but this one is STILL open?
Probably because this one's doing what it says on the label (well, it wandered then returned) whereas the pic thread kind of didn't...

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Probably because this one's doing what it says on the label (well, it wandered then returned) whereas the pic thread kind of didn't...
Maybe. but THIS one is really turning into nothing but neg reps. at least it was
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That's truth you either believe in Jesus and dedicate your life to him or you don't and go to hell and burn eternity. No sugar coating whatsoever. Send me a message if you have any questions.
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I dunno man. I wouldn't doubt him, he seems pretty certain about it.

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I don't have a problem with your beliefs, I have a problem with how your presenting them. Apparently, you missed the 10 pages of this thread where we already dealt with that.

You want to believe in Jesus? That's cool. You want to believe I'm going to hell? Sure, that's part of your belief. But at least try to present it in a more respectful manner.
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Sorry about that I wasn't trying to be mean but I get what your saying. I was trying to spread the truth about Jesus.
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That's cool and all, I mean, spreading your faith is part of it, I get that. It's just coming into a thread after 13 pages of (some ) intelligent discussion and just throwing "That's what really happens" after stating your belief, with absolutely no discussion about why you believe, or rather any personal thought or new information just kind of burns my ass
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Would you like me to tell you about it? I'm not going to bother about if you dont want me to.
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Sorry about that I wasn't trying to be mean but I get what your saying. I was trying to spread the truth about Jesus.
Dude, if you read most of this thread you'll find that the people you're imposing your beliefs on have weighed and measured the ideals from the bible and found them wanting. There's no point preaching to them because they've either been brought up Christian and found themselves questioning the existence of a god or higher being or have been otherwise exposed to it all their lives and still think that it's pointless.

I have found no "truth" in the bible. Only superstition and fairy tales.

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That's cool and all, I mean, spreading your faith is part of it, I get that. It's just coming into a thread after 13 pages of (some ) intelligent discussion and just throwing "That's what really happens" after stating your belief, with absolutely no discussion about why you believe, or rather any personal thought or new information just kind of burns my ass
This is basically it. We want to know what and why you believe this. Not just come in and state it like fact with no evidence to back it up.

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No, personally not interested in your faith itself, in fact if I believed in the Christian god I'd worship the devil probably We already had the Christian discussion, and I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with the Christian belief that good = heaven, bad = hell. Unless you have something new to add. I mean, feel free to post whatever, I'm not a mod, I'm just saying you're going to get your ass handed to you in a theological debate where all you say it "That's what really happens"

But were there any life changing events that sparked your faith? Or were you just one of the many people raised that way. To me, it's interesting hearing about an experience that would be so life altering that you would start to believe in a deity. Being raised and taught that way is a lot more boring
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What evidence is there. Have you seen this earth. There obliviously had to be creator for it to happen. I dont understand why people dont want to feel the love of God.
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What evidence is there. Have you seen this earth. There obliviously had to be creator for it to happen. I dont understand why people dont want to feel the love of God.

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