What do you beleive happens when you die?

[petereanima]

i belive in Elfs, because the book of LOTR says they exist. prove me wrong.

[Psyclapse]

Originally Posted by petereanima

i belive in Elfs, because the book of LOTR says they exist. prove me wrong.

It's funny to think about something like that because if LOTR was written hundreds of years ago and the author was unknown and people of the time latched onto the words of Gandalf as gospel, then we could have ended up with a much more literal "Lord" of the Rings.

So what makes the bible any different? Is it the language? Is it the fact that it was written an unknown number of years ago by an unknown author(s)? Or is it the fact that the people of the era supposedly documented in the bible were so impressionable that the few literate people of the time were commissioned to write a code of laws and ethics for the commoners to live by so they didn't just kill each other and rape women and steal each others propety?

Religion was the law back then, so now that we actually have a functioning system of law and government, can we stop believing in the bible as the final word of truth?

[hairychris]

What's entertaining is that one of the reason the Tolkein wrote LOTR was because we don't have a strong mythological history here in England so he created a surrogate. There are bits & pieces but on the whole it's disappeared.

A bit OT but there you go.

You do have a point there Psyclapse - the rule of law works much better if you back it up with supernatural threats. This is certainly the case in more primative cultures, just look at the Old Testament. The ancient Jewish people saw specific pieces of land as their god given right, and the god that they worshipped encouraged insularity and obedience to the priesthood. In an environment of warring tribes this cohesion & sense of purpose would be a tactical advantage.

[FlyingBanana]

An even more sad thing is that most of you feel threatened by little old me telling you that God wants you and loves you. That is just crazy.

Flame on...I don't really care.

[ZeroSignal]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

An even more sad thing is that most of you feel threatened by little old me telling you that God wants you and loves you. That is just crazy.

Flame on...I don't really care.

It's called a "debate". No one is threatened by anyone. Especially you.

And I notice you did not have a response to anyone's viewpoints? Interesting...

[Psyclapse]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

An even more sad thing is that most of you feel threatened by little old me telling you that God wants you and loves you. That is just crazy.

Flame on...I don't really care.

Ok, I was going to keep quiet and stick to polite debate but you had to jump back on your high horse and come back with that little gem. Where did all this bullshit come up about feeling threatened? NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT GOD AND RELIGION. You know what FB, I'll prove it right here.

God, if you're paying attention, strike me down with a heart attack right now!!!
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Guess what, I'm still here. Now if that doesn't debunk your little "You're all threatened by God, blah blah blah" argument, I don't know what will! ....ing news flash dude, you're not right about any of this! But the funny thing is, neither am I, or neither is Naren or ZeroSignal, or Demoniac. We all have our own ideas and they're important to us and only us. But you feel like your imaginary relationship with God should be shared with everyone because of how good it makes you feel. But have any of us hinted at how awful our lives are without God? NO, we're all perfectly content living our lives without religion guiding/forcing our every move because we've all found something else that makes us happy. And when your religion finally lets you down I hope you have something to fall back on because I'm guessing you'll be one miserable bastard.

Now I know that everyone in your little knitting circle is Christian and doesn't dare talk about anything other than God's love, but welcome to reality big guy. Now, why don't you jump off your tower and come down to the ground and be human with the rest of us for a while.

[FlyingBanana]

Originally Posted by Psyclapse

Ok, I was going to keep quiet and stick to polite debate but you had to jump back on your high horse and come back with that little gem. Where did all this bullshit come up about feeling threatened? NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT GOD AND RELIGION. You know what FB, I'll prove it right here.

God, if you're paying attention, strike me down with a heart attack right now!!!
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Guess what, I'm still here. Now if that doesn't debunk your little "You're all threatened by God, blah blah blah" argument, I don't know what will! ....ing news flash dude, you're not right about any of this! But the funny thing is, neither am I, or neither is Naren or ZeroSignal, or Demoniac. .

Don't worry, there's still some daylight left. Bwahhaahaa

[Psyclapse]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

Don't worry, there's still some daylight left. Bwahhaahaa

Talk about threatening.

Does your God know you're talking like that?

[JBroll]

[action=JBroll]has a heart attack[/action]

....er... missed... that bastard...

Oh, well, not like I was using the thing.

Jeff

[Psyclapse]

Originally Posted by JBroll

* JBroll has a heart attack

....er... missed... that bastard...

Oh, well, not like I was using the thing.

Jeff

Aiming for Ohio and he hits Texas? Depth perception must suffer when you're all the way up there in Heaven.

[FlyingBanana]

Originally Posted by Psyclapse

Aiming for Ohio and he hits Texas? Depth perception must suffer when you're all the way up there in Heaven.

Blasphemy at its finest.....you guys are a real piece of work....no threats....quit getting all defensive.

[ZeroSignal]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

Blasphemy at its finest.....you guys are a real piece of work....no threats....quit getting all defensive.

We're just passing time... Waiting...

[FlyingBanana]

Originally Posted by ZeroSignal

We're just passing time... Waiting...

......for what?

till hell freezes over?

like that's gonna happen

[ZeroSignal]

Originally Posted by ZeroSignal

We're just passing time... Waiting...

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

......for what?

till hell freezes over?

like that's gonna happen

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Originally Posted by ZeroSignal

And I notice you did not have a response to anyone's viewpoints? Interesting...

[Daemoniac]

Originally Posted by Psyclapse

you're not right about any of this! But the funny thing is, neither am I, or neither is Naren or ZeroSignal, or Demoniac. We all have our own ideas and they're important to us and only us.

YES!!!!!

Rep for you sir. This is exactly what i was trying to get at with my first few posts however many pages ago it was. I dont care what other people believe, because it is important to them, as long as im not on the receiving end of a threat "oh... you dont believe in God? You're going to hell... unless..."

[FlyingBanana]

Originally Posted by ZeroSignal

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....well

Someone posted before that this thread was just turning into a bashing each other thread. I agree.

I have tried to be courteous and understanding and refrain from getting all bent out of shape over being subjected to your verbal onslaught with all the neg reps and what you guys are posting on here.

I just don't think many of you are open to God's Word right now, and that's not a good thing, but I accept it.

So, I am not ignoring you, just taking a backseat and letting you guys cool down.

Take care.

[Daemoniac]

^ Yeah, see that is what we wanted BEFORE, to cool it with trying to convert us 'to gods word'. Thats the reason we were getting so pissed off, its not because we are horrible people full of hate, its just that its really really annoying being 'converted' to something we have absolutely no interest in, even after saying that repeatedly.... So thank you if you are actually going to stop, we have nothing against your beliefs, as long as you remember that they are just that: Yours not ours.

[Brendan G]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

I just don't think many of you are open to God's Word right now, and that's not a good thing, but I accept it.

What you fail to see is that quite a few of the Atheists/Agnostics on this board used to be affiliated with some religion (Including myself) i.e. open to the word of God to some degree, and for whatever reason they lost their faith, and no longer believe in God or doubts its existence, and anyone can see some faulty logic in believing in the words of something you don't believe even exists.

[JJ Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

Blasphemy at its finest.....you guys are a real piece of work....no threats....quit getting all defensive.

The only one I see being defensive here is you dude. No one here cares about religion, and you do, and if you think it adds meaning/value/happiness to your life, kudos to you, but thinly veiled threats of what might happen to us in the afterlife if we don't accept your religion is no way to participate in a discussion or debate.

[TonalArchitect]

Originally Posted by FlyingBanana

......for what?

till hell freezes over?

like that's gonna happen

Why not? Dante's hell had a lot of cold.

Why should we wait for Milton's Hell to be frozen when Cania already is?

[Daemoniac]

You know what else has a lot of cold? The icy stares FB would be shooting us right now if we were in the same room...

[TonalArchitect]

I shouldn't know why, I referred to epic poetry of yore.

I actually don't know why John Milton's Hell became more popular.

Speaking of Dante, it would be odd/interesting if after death, if you were just good enough to be in Purgatory, you purged your sin and walked up a mountain to heaven. Yeah, I know, metaphors and such, but it would be odd were it literal.

[FlyingBanana]

Originally Posted by Demoniac

You know what else has a lot of cold? The icy stares FB would be shooting us right now if we were in the same room...

ehhh....

I know you guys...some of you anyways...are trying to see if I get all pissy and start slinging crap.

It won't happen. I am a changed person. Ever since I received the Holy Spirit in my heart, I just cannot be bothered.

I mean, on the surface, I really don't want an inbox filled with spam neg reps, but it's all superficial man.

Nothing is worth beating each other up over.

Take it easy and go fishing or something.

Cheers.

[Daemoniac]

^ I never said that

Originally Posted by TonalArchitect

I shouldn't know why, I referred to epic poetry of yore.

I actually don't know why John Milton's Hell became more popular.

Speaking of Dante, it would be odd/interesting if after death, if you were just good enough to be in Purgatory, you purged your sin and walked up a mountain to heaven. Yeah, I know, metaphors and such, but it would be odd were it literal.

It would be. Dante's divine comedy is incredible, something ive been meaning to re-read actually, cheers for the reminder

[twiztedchild]

Just for the HELL of it


This Pastor guy that I knew a few years back told me that Hell and haven are what you think it is. then he went to to explain that. something like:


If you believe that hell is a bunch f women raping you for eternity then that is what hell if be for you. and Also, if you think that haven is just a bunch of a place of Fire and brimstone then it will be.

And Yes I know that most people will think that those t should be switched but that was pretty much what the guy said. I can't remember his exact words though but it was something to that extent.

Anyways, I have said this before. and some other people have said this. No one will agree with any one else about this crap. just leave it at that. IF you believe that you goto Heaven when you die, then good for you and more power to you. But maybe South park is right and ONLY Mormons get into heaven. all joking aside, this is just one long ass thread where everyone gets pissed at someone else.

Like Naren basically telling me to .... off, In a nicer way because I was "posting Non-Sense" in here. I didn't do anything to the guy. nor do I think he is an ass hole now. but it is the fact that when something like this topic comes up it changes everyone into insult throwing morons tat think they are ALL right. when In fact No one is Right OR Wrong.

So, please just realize that this is a point less thread. And if you guys REALLY want to talk about this topic. go find a Church forum to do it in. Because this is NOT the place to be doing this. It is a Music and Guitar forum. "Not a What I believe is right, go .... yourself forum"


So really, the Bible does teach to Love thy Neighbor and one another. Does it not? Yes I know I don't believe in it. but still most of you guys seem to and you don't follow that. So why even continue this topic??