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Unread 04-22-2012, 10:12 AM   #26
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Based on this...
....it, all my future songs will be 17.5 cents flat.
Yes, my reference is now 666 Hz

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Unread 04-22-2012, 10:35 AM   #27
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When I was in recording school we had to record stuff over some German Symphony music that one of my teachers had recorded.

He had to tell all us wanking guitar players to re-tune to A442. Apparently that's what symphonies tune to in Germany.

You'd have no idea just listening to it though.
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Unread 04-22-2012, 10:41 AM   #28
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QUICK! SOMEONE MUST ALERT TUNEINRECORDS!

He, the only vangard against the conspiracy, he cannot be left out!
I have also alerted fellow truthseekers Chopra and Icke, they are currently probing the astral dimensions for answers as to how we can stop this blight.

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I think they changed the tuning because the of the instruments back then needed to be louder in the concert halls, thats all. no mind control notes.
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Y no mention of Greek's outlawing certain modes for fear people would be lazy and indulgent if they listened to Lydian music? :disappoint:

It's really old!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_mode
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There has been a topic on this a few years and it was hilarious. I believe some of the posts came down to "but using 432hz give you nicer numbers".
Discussion on 432hz

There are a lot of Dutch websites on 432hz (for some reason, out of our 17 million people, a ....ing LOAD love their conspiracy theories...) and they're all related to Zionist/Nazi/UFO/Illuminati conspiracies.

Thing is, a lot of the "432hz sounds better!" samples I've heard sound better because they not only changed the frequency but also seem to have polished the files a bit. It's like downloading a high resolution photograph after having seen the awfully compressed Facebook version. Of course it's going to look better.

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Unread 04-22-2012, 03:59 PM   #32
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There has been a topic on this a few years and it was hilarious. I believe some of the posts came down to "but using 432hz give you nicer numbers".
Discussion on 432hz

There are a lot of Dutch websites on 432hz (for some reason, out of our 17 million people, a ....ing LOAD love their conspiracy theories...) and they're all related to Zionist/Nazi/UFO/Illuminati conspiracies.

Thing is, a lot of the "432hz sounds better!" samples I've heard sound better because they not only changed the frequency but also seem to have polished the files a bit. It's like downloading a high resolution photograph after having seen the awfully compressed Facebook version. Of course it's going to look better.
That's the thing the reference pitch may give nicer numbers but at the end of the day the size of the intervals don't change within the system being utilized for composition (presumably the usual 12-edo), whether tuned to the reference pitch of A 432, 439.6, 440, 444 the temperament itself doesn't change. C to C# in 12-edo is still 100 cents regardless of your reference pitch and due to that fact no change in reference pitch fixes the inaccuracies inherent in any tempered system. A major third in 12-edo will still be 13 2/3 cents too sharp and a minor third will be 15 2/3 cents too flat.

The idea that 432 is somehow more correct may have rose from the fact that the representation of the seventh partial ( a just interval of 7/4 or 968.826 cents)in A 440 12-edo is sharp by roughly 31 cents (represented as 1000 cents in 12-edo) and lowering the tuning by roughly 31 cents and reaching 432hz will fix the issue of the A440 tuned 12 tone systems inaccurate reproduction of that partial, but people seem to glaze over the fact that this comes at the cost of making reproductions of other partials either too sharp or too flat.

This is just like what would happen if you were to tune your guitar to reproduce the most pure representation of an A minor chord, pure in the terms of western music meaning minimal "beating" between notes. The A minor chord would sound perfect and other chords would sound terribly off.

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There has been a topic on this a few years and it was hilarious. I believe some of the posts came down to "but using 432hz give you nicer numbers".
Discussion on 432hz

There are a lot of Dutch websites on 432hz (for some reason, out of our 17 million people, a ....ing LOAD love their conspiracy theories...) and they're all related to Zionist/Nazi/UFO/Illuminati conspiracies.

Thing is, a lot of the "432hz sounds better!" samples I've heard sound better because they not only changed the frequency but also seem to have polished the files a bit. It's like downloading a high resolution photograph after having seen the awfully compressed Facebook version. Of course it's going to look better.
As I recall, the website cited in that thread had the samples arranged so that you listen to the 432Hz version, then the 440Hz version. They did that so you get the 432Hz as your reference point. Then when you listen to the 440Hz version it sounds sharp.
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Hmm, many people aye? Lets have a look at those references...

7)Horowitz LG. Walk on Water. Sandpoint, ID: Tetrahedron Press, 2005.
22) Horowitz LG. LOVE528.com website and the online journal HYDROSONICS provides much information on the 528Hz frequency.

Lets have a quick look at the paper title.....

MUSICAL CULT CONTROL:
THE ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION’S WAR ON CONSCIOUSNESS THROUGH THE IMPOSITION OF A=440HZ STANDARD TUNING

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Yeah i've spent some time studying Leonard Horowitz' websites, the A432 sites etc. and they are totally full of krap. I'm not being defensive and quick to change the subject as stated in the first post, this stuff can be shot down in flames very easily.

Personally i do like to harmonise my microtonal scales to astronomical frequencies instead of A440, but simply because i like the idea and think some variety in frequency is a good thing. Any frequency is fine, none are harmful.

There is a related issue that music across the world is being modernised and increasingly locked to A440 / 12 equal temperament. The result is that only 12 frequencies, plus their octaves, remain from the infinite spectrum of frequency. That could become tiresome and fatiguing. I prefer the idea of variety.

It is as if there were only 12 equallly spaced tempos allowed to be used, plus doubles and halves. No one would stand for it ...
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I made this image that shows the year frequency transposed up by many octaves until it becomes a beat, then an audible tone, and finally a frequency of light, the background colour is precisely matched to this light frequency.



You can see that the value of A4 that results in a C# in tune with the year frequency (in 12 equal temperament) is 432.098Hz, which i believe is where A432Hz originally came from as Necris stated, but the idiots dropped the .098 to make it more catchy.
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As I recall, the website cited in that thread had the samples arranged so that you listen to the 432Hz version, then the 440Hz version. They did that so you get the 432Hz as your reference point. Then when you listen to the 440Hz version it sounds sharp.
Yeah, that too. Ironic how they're claiming people are being mislead, while they're (probably knowingly) doing it themselves.

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It is readily apparent from a simple mathematical analysis that A=444Hz and A=432 Hz are harmonically related and both, reportedly, therapeutic. Prove the harmony yourself by simply subtracting 432 from 444. It yields 12; where 1+2=3 in Pythagorean math. Now take 528 and subtract 444 and you also get 12, or 3. Next, take 528 and subtract 432 to get 96; where 9+6=15; and 1+5=6. This result is identical to 5+2+8=15 or 6.


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Lets all just stop this terrorism by not tuning anymore
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After building your entire life around the notion that A=440hz, you can't avoid reading this.

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