The LGBT thread

[ghstofperdition]

I'm starting to suspect my bf is gay and not bi. Like he's only turned on whenever Im being laxy and in "guy mode" and not when I try to look pretty for him. I know I pass well, so I have no clue why he doesn't get turned on by a hot girl laying in bed next to him.

Edit: No, Im not mad at him for this at all, just a little puzzled by him. Pity that the internet doesn't convey emotion so well. That or people just have shitty reading comprehension.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by ghstofperdition

he's only turned on whenever Im being laxy and in "guy mode"

...Tell me where you find these guys.

[Waelstrum]

I've been a fan of Eddie Izzard for a while, but there are a few things I don't quite get. He dresses as a lady (well he did in the 90's) and says that he's a transvestite, which he calls an alternative sexuality. But if he identifies as male and is attracted to women, is it a separate sexuality to heterosexuality, or is it just a straight man with different clothes?

Also, he doesn't seem to where lady clothes much any more, (see 4:52 below) so is he even a transvestite any more?


(I hope I worded that in a PC way, any offence caused is purely accidental.)

[ghstofperdition]

No clue. Sweet guy, but he is an enigma whose answer eternally escapes me. But to answer your question more specifically, I met him at school. Cute hispanic bass player.

@ Waelstrum
Gender Identity and gender expression is a VASTLY different thing from sexual orientation. My understanding is that Eddie identifies as male, but choses to express himself as female via wearing feminine clothing. As Drak has proven thus far, there are people that see crossdressing as a hobby. The definition of transvestite is one who likes to wear the clothing/portray the appearance of the opposite sex. They still identify as male, and have little to no symptoms of gender identity disorder.

Sexual orientation is far different than that. It's about what sex you are attracted to. He prefers females and identifies as male, so he is heterosexual. I see mtf transsexuals that are attracted to men as heterosexual as well, but more hardline members of the LGBT community will vehemently disagree with this. While different, gender identity and sexual orientation are interwoven. In the case of Eddie Izzard, had he been attracted to men only, I would consider him gay in that case since he identifies as male.

At the end of the day, what a person identifies as takes precedence over everything else. Whether one might disagree or not, it is foolish to think you know a person's gender identity and orientation better than they do. (I will concede this point to Trenchlord regarding my recent statements about Rick Santorum)

[Necris]

www.addictinginfo.org/2012/04/16/anti-gay-tea-party-speaker-screams-at-lgbt-protesters-we-will-not-be-silenced-by-faggots/

A few questions the article contains are clearly leading questions meant to incite a level outrage that really should already exist.
For Example:
"The question I want police to answer is why wasn’t the Tea Party hate rally broken up?"
Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly, nothing illegal was going on.

"... how come excessive force was used?"
Claims of excessive force being used are still being investigated and unless it's confirmed that question isn't really valid.

"Are police officers only capable of arresting protesters who are not right-wing zombies?"
Yay, bias and appeals to ridicule. Not that I was expecting an unbiased article from Addicting Info.

[flint757]

Originally Posted by Necris

Anti-Gay Tea Party Speaker Screams at LGBT Protesters "We Will Not Be Silenced By Faggots!"

A few questions the article contains are clearly leading questions meant to incite a level outrage that really should already exist.


"The question I want police to answer is why wasn’t the Tea Party hate rally broken up?"
Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly, nothing illegal was going on.

"How come police only targeted the LGBT supporters? And how come excessive force was used?"
No idea. Claims of excessive force being used are still being investigated and unless it's confirmed that question isn't really valid.

"Are police officers only capable of arresting protesters who are not right-wing zombies?"
Yay, bias.

I lol'd at your rebuttals and agree the author was biased, but the tea party rally really is just a disgrace

[EDIT]
fixed your link in the above quote it didn't seem to work it kept bringing me back to SS.org

[Waelstrum]

Originally Posted by ghstofperdition

@ Waelstrum
Gender Identity and gender expression is a VASTLY different thing from sexual orientation. My understanding is that Eddie identifies as male, but choses to express himself as female via wearing feminine clothing. As Drak has proven thus far, there are people that see crossdressing as a hobby. The definition of transvestite is one who likes to wear the clothing/portray the appearance of the opposite sex. They still identify as male, and have little to no symptoms of gender identity disorder.

Sexual orientation is far different than that. It's about what sex you are attracted to. He prefers females and identifies as male, so he is heterosexual. I see mtf transsexuals that are attracted to men as heterosexual as well, but more hardline members of the LGBT community will vehemently disagree with this. While different, gender identity and sexual orientation are interwoven. In the case of Eddie Izzard, had he been attracted to men only, I would consider him gay in that case since he identifies as male.

At the end of the day, what a person identifies as takes precedence over everything else. Whether one might disagree or not, it is foolish to think you know a person's gender identity and orientation better than they do. (I will concede this point to Trenchlord regarding my recent statements about Rick Santorum)

That's what I thought. Basically, he's a straight male who sometimes dresses as a woman.

[Necris]

Originally Posted by flint757

The tea party rally really is just a disgrace

[EIT]
fixed your link in the above quote it didn't seem to work it kept bringing me back to SS.org

No argument there.
I'm not sure why the link was broken either, but I've replaced it now.

[groph]

Prominent Canadian LGBT activist, journalist murdered in Nova Scotia – LGBTQ Nation

I dunno if this is a hate crime or not, regardless the local gay community where I'm from has lost a valued member, Raymond Taavel.

This guy was beaten to death outside of a gay bar by a paranoid schizophrenic man with a history of aggression and impulsivity. The man was let out of his institution for an hour long leave, didn't return, and now he's charged with second degree murder. He's in custody. I heard some accounts where the assailant was throwing slurs (faggot, etc.) at Raymond during the beating so there could be some hate-crime dimension to it but the murderer was completely mentally unfit to begin with. That doesn't really matter though, Raymond's still gone. There was a vigil held for him in Halifax just earlier today.

[Guitarman700]

Originally Posted by groph

Prominent Canadian LGBT activist, journalist murdered in Nova Scotia – LGBTQ Nation

I dunno if this is a hate crime or not, regardless the local gay community where I'm from has lost a valued member, Raymond Taavel.

This guy was beaten to death outside of a gay bar by a paranoid schizophrenic man with a history of aggression and impulsivity. The man was let out of his institution for an hour long leave, didn't return, and now he's charged with second degree murder. He's in custody. I heard some accounts where the assailant was throwing slurs (faggot, etc.) at Raymond during the beating so there could be some hate-crime dimension to it but the murderer was completely mentally unfit to begin with. That doesn't really matter though, Raymond's still gone. There was a vigil held for him in Halifax just earlier today.

that's terrible. My thoughts to his family and friends. May he find some peace in the nothing.

[flint757]

Same give my condolences as well.

I don't think it was hate if he was mental, that being said I think anyone capable of killing to some degree is mental whether for money, pleasure or self delusion.

[ghstofperdition]

Bumping this thread because it's awesome.


So it sounds like we've had an eventful week. Obama backs gay marriage and I just saw on my fb feed that the NAACP now does as well. It's like the world is waking up and realizing it's had it's head up it's ass this whole time. Praise be to the sodomy and fashion gods!

So, a qurstion popped up in my head when I read all this, and I pose it to my bros and sisters here: If we actually get gay marriage legal, would you take advantage of it and marry?

Also, with more acceptance comes more hatred from the opposition. What do you guys think of Obama kicking over the hornet's nest? My fb is getting plenty of "buzz" about republican senators having all kinds of vile suggestions for us ranging from being arrested all the way to being murdered in our sleep.

[The Uncreator]

I find it hard to believe that this kind of thing will last much longer. As the worlds population is slowly replaced with newer generations of people, they are constantly being brought up in an ever more accepting society, at least excluding some major political sides, which even then, seem to be waning themselves.

A dear friend of mine who is gay, and has struggled with it her entire life, told me it wasn't about legalizing gay marriage so they could all run out get married at the same time. It was just about knowing that the right for you to do so existed.

It seems that a lot of people (just from what I have read) think that the day gay marriage is legal everywhere the streets will be flooded with gay couples getting married by thousands, millions, billions!! So many they will overthrow the government (they seem to say)

I find it ever frustrating to see this, while not being gay myself I can't imagine how frustrating this kind of ignorance is to those who are.

Its like trying to fathom someone hating me because I have a blue guitar, and only red ones are good ones....Its just...Nonsensical stupidity.

[Waelstrum]

Originally Posted by ghstofperdition

So, a qurstion popped up in my head when I read all this, and I pose it to my bros and sisters here: If we actually get gay marriage legal, would you take advantage of it and marry?

None of the gay people I know* are of marrying age (30+), so I doubt I'll be at a gay wedding for quite a while.



(*There are probably people I know that I think are straight but are actually gay, because I'm a bit slow to pick up on these things.)

[The Uncreator]

You have to be a certain age to get married in Australia?

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by The Uncreator

You have to be a certain age to get married in Australia?

It's eighteen here in Sweden.

[flint757]

I think 17 in most US states too. Unless they are like 14 though don't count out any marriages just yet, I know a lot of people who got married basically right after high school.

[The Uncreator]

Well what I should of said was it really so high (30yrs old), that seems extreme.

[Jakke]

Originally Posted by The Uncreator

Well what I should of said was it really so high (30yrs old), that seems extreme.

Nah, "marrying age" usually implies that you are of the age when people usually marry, not that there is an age restriction.

[Waelstrum]

I think you can marry at 16 with your parents permission, otherwise it's 18. What I meant was the age people usually get married. Sorry for any confusion.

[The Uncreator]

Ok, just seemed a bit odd

[The Uncreator]

[BrianUV777BK]

I'm not gay but my boyfriend is.

ZIIIING!

Live and let live, as the kids say.

[beneharris]

Originally Posted by The Uncreator

that comic doesn't actually touch on the "man and woman" aspect. sure solomon had lots of wives, but there is never a point in the bible when that is pointed out as being an "ideal marriage"

also, if a man rapes a woman and he has to marry her, is still a man and a woman.

not trying to say anything about same sex marriage, just that this comic is a little bit shallow.

although, that last panel is really funny

[flint757]

^^^Jokes rarely include all things factual, if it did probably wouldn't have been as funny either