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Unread 12-08-2011, 09:17 PM   #26
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I keep wondering why E.T.s would come from so far away only to suck our cows organs and scare the crap out of grandmas in the middle of nowhere
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Unread 12-09-2011, 02:16 AM   #27
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What if the entire human race and the earth were a simulation created by the Aliens? Like they`ve been here all along from the start, observing and studying us like lab rats? Its like those moments in MIB, at the end of of the movies that are complete mind-....s.



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Unread 12-09-2011, 03:44 AM   #29
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What if... what if... ?!

yes, I can imagine all kinds of things.

Still, I'd love to see some actual evidence, because otherwise all the speculation about alien visitaiton and possible/probable methods, motives and so forth can equally be used to argue for Yahweh, Odin, elves, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause. Evidence is where the rubber meets the road.
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Incidentally, one of the simultaneously best and most painful things to watch is when you get true believers in this stuff together to argue, instead of having them talk with unbelievers/skeptics. The two women who were clear as to the color of the Martians through revelation, and were in complete disagreement, reminds me of when you get Intelligent Design/Creation proponents together, and hear them about how the others in that same broad group are just completely wrong (again, based purely on revelation).

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To put a positive spin on imagination, though...

Wasn't Einstein amazing? He proposed that space bends, and came up with a testable hypothesis which turned out to be right.

Science is so cool, and doesn't require belief to work. The fact than a human enterprise has found a way to both harness imagination, and to discard what doesn't work, is an amazing thing, don't you think?
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To put a positive spin on imagination, though...

Wasn't Einstein amazing? He proposed that space bends, and came up with a testable hypothesis which turned out to be right.

Science is so cool, and doesn't require belief to work. The fact than a human enterprise has found a way to both harness imagination, and to discard what doesn't work, is an amazing thing, don't you think?
Ya, this reminds me. I`m waiting on the review of the CERN neutrino shoot.
If this beam is faster than light, than we`ll have to be working with a new theory and review all the stuff thats happened the previous 100 years.
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What if... what if... ?!

yes, I can imagine all kinds of things.

Still, I'd love to see some actual evidence, because otherwise all the speculation about alien visitaiton and possible/probable methods, motives and so forth can equally be used to argue for Yahweh, Odin, elves, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause. Evidence is where the rubber meets the road.
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To put a positive spin on imagination, though...

Wasn't Einstein amazing? He proposed that space bends, and came up with a testable hypothesis which turned out to be right.

Science is so cool, and doesn't require belief to work. The fact than a human enterprise has found a way to both harness imagination, and to discard what doesn't work, is an amazing thing, don't you think?

I agree that evidence is important. Sometimes it's so important that it's hidden though or it's biased or even flat out wrong. If an innocent person can be sent to an electric chair, then science can certainly be wrong. It's been wrong time and time again throughout history. A lot of the advancements have taken time because of an unwillingness to accept new information. Having blind faith in science alone is foolish. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's not impervious to being wrong and biased. It's always evolving and rethinking and reworking.

Einstein was amazing, but there's since been people who have elaborated on his work and have taken his theories to the next level.

Also, you do need belief in science, particularly when you take an "experts" opinion as pure gospel and hope that the findings weren't skewed or influenced by who was paying for that opinion. Plenty of opinions go under the radar, not because they're wrong, but because they go against the grain and established view set forth by the money interests. Now, I'm not saying all expert opinions are wrong, but I know plenty that have been dead wrong and proven to be so. Science has discarded more than what doesn't work unfortunately. I think if science wasn't subjected the interests of who's funding the research, then it could truly be free and accomplish even more and wonderful advancements for the betterment of the human race. Science is powerful stuff and in the wrong hands it can be just as bad as it can be good. It's like you can use a hammer to build a house or smash in someone's skull. It's a double edged sword. And there's advancements and science which are hidden for national security purposes and all that too. There's a lot more to what is possible than what the public sees.


BTW, I'm not looking to stir up anything and will not engage in a long exchange over this, but I felt it important to point out that your carefully placed comments and sarcasm aren't lost on me. Nor is the fact that you seem to be trolling around after my comments now on multiple threads at this point. I now realize how much energy and time I've wasted on responding to your comments. Hopefully I can refrain in the future. If anyone's a true believer it's you. You've been riding high on your almighty gospel of government sanctioned science proof trip that you can't even for a moment entertain the notion that science might not have it all figured out yet.

It's been fun Explorer, but I know I"m not the only one tiring of your comments. Don't expect anymore responses from me.
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I think there's truth in everything, you know as they say: 'no smoke without fire'.
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I was kidding when I said we're all geniuses and have this stuff figured out. Although, Explorer really is a genius - he knows everything about life and reality, and he's nearly omniscient - in fact, we shouldn't even have these conversations about paranormal activity, extraterrestrials, etc. without asking him if it's ok first, because none of us have ANY idea what the .... we're talking about in the slightest.

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I think folks need to calm down a bit. Just because someone doesn't share your opinion or life views doesn't mean they're trolling or even generally being a jerk. I don't find anything condescending or insulting in this thread, and I don't see why anyone should feel the need to be defensive or insulting/condescending in a retaliatory way.

Anyway, as to the theory of life on Earth being an experiment run by aliens:



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Sorry, I was just being sarcastic because I thought we all were.

Anyway, I don't think earth is an experiment, or, if it is, I don't think it would be so easily comprehendible that we could posit coherent theories on same... For that matter, I think the origin of life in general is well beyond our comprehension at this point in time, and therefore, a life form more advanced than us is also beyond our comprehension. I see no harm in trying to solve these mysteries, since we'll eventually come to understand them (in my opinion), but in the mean time, I think it's funny that we keep having heated arguments about this stuff. That's more or less the point I want to make - I just don't understand the efforts to shut down ideas, when the opposition is equally unenlightened.
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That's somewhat similar to my argument for God. If he/she existed, it would be too infinitely complex for even the smartest human beings to comprehend so to pass judgement for me, is silly.

I believe in Science, because it shows us what we do know and what we're in the process of knowing, and that seems the safest side to be with for me. That being said, I don't think we should let out minds be confined by what we think we know. Some of the greatest advances in human technology and knowledge have come from those who have dared to think outside the box and challenge the norm, however crazy the idea might seem. Of course, you still need to approach those ideas with a grasp of reality.



I should add though I am open to the idea of a God, I am not religious and do not live my life around the idea of there being a God
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Man, I ....ing love this thread! I always find it hard to converse with people about these kind of topics. Not because I`m shy, but because well.. many people don`t care about it. Man I just hope I live to see a day where we actually discover/meet extraterrestrial life. If I were to be forced to choose a religion I would choose the Mormans. At least they believe in Aliens.
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What I find interesting is that most of the stories you read about UFO sightings and abductions occur in some backwards Nowhereville, USA town and happen to some farmer or his wife. Why aren't there any sophisticated people getting abducted?

I want to see Neil deGrasse Tyson or another physicist or professor come out and say that they were abducted, then talk about the experience - not "well there was a bright blue light and then my butthole started to hurt. Next thing I know I was back in bed cuddled with either my wife or one of my livestock."
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not "well there was a bright blue light and then my butthole started to hurt. Next thing I know I was back in bed cuddled with either my wife or one of my livestock."
I'm pretty sure the former can be explained by the latter in most cases.
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BTW, I'm not looking to stir up anything and will not engage in a long exchange over this, but I felt it important to point out that your (Explorer's) carefully placed comments and sarcasm aren't lost on me. Nor is the fact that you seem to be trolling around after my comments now on multiple threads at this point.

...I know I"m not the only one tiring of your comments.
As I've pointed out before, every one of us has the ability to use the Report button when we suspect someone is trolling or engaging in personal attacks. It's the exclamation point button on the left side of all posts in an open thread.

If you feel that anyone is trolling, including me, be sure to let the mods know by using that button on the appropriate post. It helps make this a better community.

And, although you might not have noticed the correlation, I generally post about things which are inaccurate. If you feel I'm targeting you, then you might consider the large amount of pseudoscience and conspiracy-mongering in which you're engaging.

I do the same thing when someone gives bad set-up or string tensioning advice as well, so don't take it personally.

I'm actually hopeful you'll start to apply your skepticism to all claims, including your own, which is why I'm encouraging you to look at the premises and reasoning necessary to sustain your assertions. You seem like a nice person, if a little unclear about how the real world works, and I look forward to you being able to examine things from all angles.

If it makes you feel better, I talk to you on the same level as when we've talked out things at different workplaces. If someone tosses out an idea, none of us are immune to having that idea examined. I'm not automatically respecting an idea, but I'm respecting you by assuming you can at some point see the discrepancies in your thinking.

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I think its sad people joke about these things. I have had serious firsthand experience with alien abductions and I find it apalling how ignorant people can be. If you cant comprehend the sacrifices abductees have made, then just leave it alone. We are probe ambassadors; we are the frontline analysis; we take the hands we are dealt for the sake of humanity.
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I hate beliefs.
Gods, gnomes, fairies, aliens whatever are not something to believe in, or you see/talk/touch/smell/whatever them or they don't exist.
Or they do exist but it's not suppost for us to communicate with them.
Why the hell would I believe in something that never speaks to me?
Something that I can't see/touch/smell/whatever?
To me it's nonsense.
All societies always needed something to believe in.
Humans lie..........a lot so I can't believe in something somebody wrote a long ago and others kept turning it bigger and bigger.
If supernatural stuff does exist still it never spoke to me so I won't waste 1 second of my life.................. believing.
If any God wants me to follow his rules, come and speak to me, be a father and teach me stuff insteady of just throwing me on this planet.

I can't understand why some people think it's so impossible to exist other civilizations out there, maybe because they think God only created us?
Humans with so crap brains that goes from Einstein to Hitler?
God made a terrible mistake and seems like he ran away or is in vacation and Earth is paying his bills

I can't believe in aliens but I can EXPECT they do exist cause we can't see the whole universe.
I really EXPECT there are really better civilizations out there cause if there's only us...........whoever/whatever created us was out of his/its mind
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I'm reserving my views on this except for this one: 99% of alien abduction stories I've heard (n.b. 'I've heard', I didn't state an absolute like 'are') have come from the USA, usually southern states. I've never heard anyone in Europe claim to have been abducted by aliens, nor a story of such.

So I ask, if these beings have come all this way why are they so fascinated by the folks in southern USA? What's wrong with the French or Japanese or something?


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