Metal and Homophobia/Sexism

[eleven59]

So, I think what I've learned is:

Regardless of genres, some people are just douchebags

[DrakkarTyrannis]

Originally Posted by S-O

At least he's not hairy

Ahem..hairy men are sexy. Shaved men just look...well...gay. I can't stand when guys do that shit.

[kung_fu]

Honestly, i'm seeing the exact opposite happen. It seems that most bands these days aren't afraid to be silly and make fun of themselves. I think people have realized how stupid the macho chest-beating posing of the 80s and 90s was. Also with respect to the whole "gay" thing, just watch the Louis CK bit.

Possibly NSFW due to some foul language:

[Customisbetter]

^^i can't stand people.

[TomAwesome]

Originally Posted by eleven59

True enough, it just seems like a large number of people take that shit seriously and it's starting to piss me off and make me want to quit the scene.

So ditch the scene and enjoy the music on your own.

[S-O]

Originally Posted by DrakkarTyrannis

Ahem..hairy men are sexy. Shaved men just look...well...gay. I can't stand when guys do that shit.

Respectable. I guess I am just more down for well groomed, there can be hair, I just need it to be under control. Mostly to counteract me:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSCN0704.jpg

That goes for my women too.

That's right, I need my women to have well kept beards and chest hair.

[Neal]

I think the whole macho, metal as a release of anger etc. thing is great for teenagers who don't/can't get laid, but is essentially retarded. A loud, distorted guitar and loud ass drums can represent a lot of things other than anger and frustration. Granted that's a big part of it, but it also just sounds ....ing cool. Jazz isn't an expression of sex and crime, but it's been used in movie soundtracks for sleazy sex and crime scenes for decades. Mosh pits, tattoos, flexed muscles, long hair, shaved heads, pointy guitars - all of those things are really separate from the music for me.

I think racism is more rampant in metal scenes, at least in America, than sexism or homophobia.

But maybe that's just me.

[DrakkarTyrannis]

Originally Posted by Neal

I think the whole macho, metal as a release of anger etc. thing is great for teenagers who don't/can't get laid, but is essentially retarded. A loud, distorted guitar and loud ass drums can represent a lot of things other than anger and frustration. Granted that's a big part of it, but it also just sounds ....ing cool. Jazz isn't an expression of sex and crime, but it's been used in movie soundtracks for sleazy sex and crime scenes for decades. Mosh pits, tattoos, flexed muscles, long hair, shaved heads, pointy guitars - all of those things are really separate from the music for me.

I think racism is more rampant in metal scenes, at least in America, than sexism or homophobia.

But maybe that's just me.

Racism is something I rarely see. When dealing with black metal and the whole NSBM thing then maybe, but I've gone to shows with skinheads and whatnot and had 0 issue. I've never been hassled about anything really.

Originally Posted by S-O

Respectable. I guess I am just more down for well groomed, there can be hair, I just need it to be under control. Mostly to counteract me:

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/DSCN0704.jpg

That goes for my women too.

That's right, I need my women to have well kept beards and chest hair.

I don't have a lot of body hair, but the hair I do have goes nowhere. I shave nothing below the neck. Unless a guy has an extra, extra amount of hair..no shaving. Then again I like wooly lookin dudes and bears and shit.

[xXxPriestessxXx]

Originally Posted by Neal

I think the whole macho, metal as a release of anger etc. thing is great for teenagers who don't/can't get laid, but is essentially retarded. A loud, distorted guitar and loud ass drums can represent a lot of things other than anger and frustration. Granted that's a big part of it, but it also just sounds ....ing cool. Jazz isn't an expression of sex and crime, but it's been used in movie soundtracks for sleazy sex and crime scenes for decades. Mosh pits, tattoos, flexed muscles, long hair, shaved heads, pointy guitars - all of those things are really separate from the music for me.

I think racism is more rampant in metal scenes, at least in America, than sexism or homophobia.

But maybe that's just me.

I seem to have seen more racism in punk and ska type stuff. Guess it is different in different regions.

[E Lucevan Le Stelle]

Originally Posted by DrakkarTyrannis

Paul I think it is. The little one..not the one with all the hair. Clearly I'm a diehard Cynic fan

Paul certainly comes across as gay...

...and he's ....ing gorgeous



I asked him if he wanted to get a drink someplace after the Cynic reunion show in London - he kind of brushed me off with being "too busy". Now that would have been some (gay) metal credibility

[DrakkarTyrannis]

Originally Posted by E Lucevan Le Stelle

Paul certainly comes across as gay...

...and he's ....ing gorgeous



I asked him if he wanted to get a drink someplace after the Cynic reunion show in London - he kind of brushed me off with being "too busy". Now that would have been some (gay) metal credibility

Meh..not really my thing.

You know the funny thing with Cynic is, before I knew anything about them, I tried getting into their music. Didn't like it at all. Talking this over with a friend, he asked me why and I told him that "it just sounds gay" Then I find out what I know now..funny how that works.

[S-O]

Seems like gay is pretty damn metal.

I guess the homophobia is really just in your scene. Bummer.

[eleven59]

Originally Posted by S-O

Seems like gay is pretty damn metal.

I guess the homophobia is really just in your scene. Bummer.

I think it's mainly a misunderstanding on my part

[TheHandOfStone]

Originally Posted by DrakkarTyrannis

Paul I think it is. The little one..not the one with all the hair. Clearly I'm a diehard Cynic fan

This makes a lot of sense, actually. Chuck sang about Masdival in The Philosopher: "So you preach about how I'm supposed to be, yet you don't know your own sexuality."

[S-O]

Originally Posted by eleven59

I think it's mainly a misunderstanding on my part

Maybe it is a lot more subtle than we realize, and your scene is just a little less subtle.

[E Lucevan Le Stelle]

Originally Posted by TheHandOfStone

This makes a lot of sense, actually. Chuck sang about Masdival in The Philosopher: "So you preach about how I'm supposed to be, yet you don't know your own sexuality."

Yep. He fell out with Masvidal and Reinert in '93 because they wanted to take the band in the jazz/metal direction that ended up with Focus, while he wanted to carry on with his ideas - especially given that Masvidal and Reinert had just been hired as session guys, really. "The Philosopher" was just a cheap shot at Masvidal for trying to take over creative direction in the band.

[Zugster]

Originally Posted by DrakkarTyrannis

...And we can all agree that the people I've mentioned have more than proven themselves in the scene and no one thinks twice about it. Surely you have a few who don't care but so what? That's life. You can write songs about eating people and raping dead children but you run crying because some idiot called you a fag?

Ummm... how is raping dead children and the like, manly? I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Neal

I think the whole macho, metal as a release of anger etc. thing is great for teenagers who don't/can't get laid, but is essentially retarded. A loud, distorted guitar and loud ass drums can represent a lot of things other than anger and frustration. Granted that's a big part of it, but it also just sounds ....ing cool. Jazz isn't an expression of sex and crime, but it's been used in movie soundtracks for sleazy sex and crime scenes for decades. Mosh pits, tattoos, flexed muscles, long hair, shaved heads, pointy guitars - all of those things are really separate from the music for me.

I think racism is more rampant in metal scenes, at least in America, than sexism or homophobia.

But maybe that's just me.

+1

[DrakkarTyrannis]

Originally Posted by Zugster

Ummm... how is raping dead children and the like, manly? I don't get it.

I never said it was. But if you can write overly aggressive brutish songs and put yourself into such a mindset, you shouldn't cringe like a little girl at a silly name.

[S-O]

Originally Posted by E Lucevan Le Stelle

Yep. He fell out with Masvidal and Reinert in '93 because they wanted to take the band in the jazz/metal direction that ended up with Focus, while he wanted to carry on with his ideas - especially given that Masvidal and Reinert had just been hired as session guys, really. "The Philosopher" was just a cheap shot at Masvidal for trying to take over creative direction in the band.

That's funny, I always felt that Individual Thought Patterns was continuing on with the sound that Human started, and led to what Symbolic and the Sound of Perseverance would be.

Human and Symbolic are my favorite ones from them, kind of lame that Chuck bashed on Paul like that, never noticed it before though, don't listen to ITP that much.

I thought I read everywhere that Chuck was down with Paul and Sean pitching ideas to him, guess I read wrong.

[DrakkarTyrannis]

Originally Posted by S-O

That's funny, I always felt that Individual Thought Patterns was continuing on with the sound that Human started, and led to what Symbolic and the Sound of Perseverance would be.

Human and Symbolic are my favorite ones from them, kind of lame that Chuck bashed on Paul like that, never noticed it before though, don't listen to ITP that much.

I thought I read everywhere that Chuck was down with Paul and Sean pitching ideas to him, guess I read wrong.

Ya know..Chuck seemed ultra gay to me. That girlfriend business fools no one. Homeboy was sweet.

[S-O]

Originally Posted by DrakkarTyrannis

Ya know..Chuck seemed ultra gay to me. That girlfriend business fools no one. Homeboy was sweet.

I genuinely lol'd.

[Waelstrum]

One of my favorite you-tube arguments is when some idiot calls symphony x 'gay' and 'un-metal', and someone else replies so's rob halford and he's the god of metal.

[Scar Symmetry]

Originally Posted by Cheesebuiscut

Personally I spent most of my grade school years making people feel extremely uncomfortable with countless of gay jokes. Unfortunately this made a lot of people think I was actually gay and I got more gay guys making passes at me than girls...

[wannabguitarist]

I thought I read in some interview that Paul had a wife and kids . Not that that means he's not gay, or that him being gay makes Cynic any less awesome (but does that make my man-crush on his musical abilities weird now?). From all the interviews I've seen he comes off like the kind of person that would have no problem openly coming out, and it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

I also never thought of metal being homophobic; maybe it's the just the metalheads I know though . And isn't being gay like the ultimate peak in macho-ness?

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by eleven59

They'll (almost) always deny being actually homophobic/sexist, but they'll still be extremely disrespectful towards women/gays, and any time they don't like something it's "gay".

A while back, i knew a couple of lesbians who were into metal, and they'd be the first to call something they didnt like "Gay" or "faggy"