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Old 01-10-2008, 04:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HELP: Solo Strategies

I've been playing for a few years now, and have posted several times on various items in the past here.

However, as much theory and practice I put in, I can't seem to grasp advanced solos as well as I'd like to be able to.

So I come to you, collective internet, in hopes that I can assemble your knowledge of soloing and soloing strategies to create some bastardization of musical knowledge.

Thanks in advance

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Old 01-10-2008, 06:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So I come to you, collective internet, in hopes that I can assemble your knowledge of soloing and soloing strategies to create some bastardization of musical knowledge.
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However, as much theory and practice I put in

It's hard for me to believe that if you know
a) you key signatures
b) chord function
c) the major scale and all of it's modes
d) the minor scales and all of their modes
e) every note on the fretboard cold

you can't already solo. My gut instinct tells me you don't really know as much theory as you think you've learned. Go back and learn it from scratch- if something looks tedious- then that's probably what you skipped before, and need to learn. Music theory isnt a 'pick-and choose' situation, you will never understand improvisation if you don't know the basics COLD.

Like yngwie says:



When you're done with all that study Paul Gilbert's Intense Rock I and II until you can play everything.

That's the short version...
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I can solo, just not as well as I'd like to.

I was in hopes for some ideas closer to those of advanced techniques (such as the use of 5ths in place of a linear scale).

Other tricks like that what would be helpful in creating a fluid solo.

I should have phrased myself differently.

And thanks for the correction
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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as in, intervallic tricks? new arpeggio types, etc? that sort of thing?

there are some tutorials on that sort of thing in the workbench...

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Old 01-10-2008, 06:35 PM   #5 (permalink)
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yeah, exactly, I misrepresented myself as a complete idiot >>

I do understand a/b/e on your list, and am in the process of memorizing the relations between the Diatonic Modes and the Harmonic Minor Modes. (As for E, I've memorized the intervals, and where the whole notes are, I just don't quite have names to them yet).
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lol... do you use sequences? I would recommend checking out some of rusty cooley's stuff on that.... or are you looking for 'tasteful' stuff

in the next week, before I get out to mexico on vacation, I plan on doing a tutorial on ninth, and seventh arpeggios for seven-stringed guitars that are very good for phrasing as well as blazing speed, and have the unique quality of being very compatible with the 'standard' rusty cooley types of sequencing for scales in three octaves.

Otherwise, I would say just sit around for a few hours trying out new stuff on guitar....

its really hard to tell you where to go if its unclear where you are. Post up a vid or a clip or something...
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Old 01-10-2008, 07:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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yeah, I'll get to it eventually, but the only improv clip I have is a half hour, acoustic one (with poor sound) where I was really more working out some ideas for a concept album I'll probably never finish.
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It's hard for me to believe that if you know
a) you key signatures
b) chord function
c) the major scale and all of it's modes
d) the minor scales and all of their modes
e) every note on the fretboard cold
Harder said than done :'(

I'm only on step one. Or A.
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well.. theres a book called like The Theasaurus of Scales and Melodies (or something like that) that is basically just like 150 pages of random melodies that can be used for soloing.. Go get that book, and work on like one a day, and then connect the dots. You will need to sightread though to read them. but its pretty challenging, someone I know has it and looked like a crazy book but apparently Coltrane and Miles highly recommend it.
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Harder said than done :'(

I'm only on step one. Or A.
Shit, I know B, C, D, and E, but I'm not completely good at A. I can't sight read anything with more than 4 sharps/flats without getting confused. C and D are the easiest, because minor is a mode of major anyways. Unless he means modes of harmonic minor, which is a different story. I'm actually not that good at B though, and I blow at improvising. Like, really, really suck at it.

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