Scales, Techniques and Tricks for that 80's metal sound?

InTheRavensName · 12-21-2007, 01:58 PM

Y'know, that firewind, masterplan, axel rudi pell, dream evil kind of big, open rock/metal sound, anyone have any tips for that kinda sound...I'm looking to expand beyond the Iced Earth/Nevermore/Arch Enemy kind of speed metal route and into a little different...

...also...George Lynch wins...more than I had realised previously

Apophis · 12-21-2007, 03:26 PM

for techniques, scales, modes etc - one word - SHRED

for tone - MARSHALL

You like George Lynch sound - check there - George Lynch live rigs the official George Lynch website www.georgelynch.com by Naturally Wired Designs

Jongpil Yun · 12-22-2007, 01:54 AM

I'll give you a hint. It's the name of one of the mods here.

(E Aeolian)

Vegetta · 12-23-2007, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongpil Yun

I'll give you a hint. It's the name of one of the mods here.

(E Aeolian)

ahh you beat me to the punch!

little trick Get a chorus pedal - set rate to 0 and depth to like 50%

Lucky Seven · 12-23-2007, 02:56 PM

Have an amp with just under the amount of proper amount of gain, add an overdrive with level all the way up and gain all the way down. Then add a chorus. With 80's metal, it's less about gain and more about attack and dynamics and chorus, lol. I can get Paul Gilbert and Wolf Hoffman's tone! w00t!

ElRay · 12-24-2007, 02:49 AM

90% of tone is in the fingers. Are you wearing the requisite skin tight pants? That affects your blood pressure and causes slight edema of the upper extremities, which affects your tone. Also, is your hair long enough? The constant pushing your hair out of the way or simply running your fingers through your hair several times an hour allows the residual hair-care products to soak into your fingers, which keeps them supple and adds to the 80's tone. Alternatively, you could just soak your fingers in conditioner, mousse, pomade, or something similar.

Ray

Regor · 12-24-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by InTheRavensName

Y'know, that firewind, masterplan, axel rudi pell, dream evil kind of big, open rock/metal sound, anyone have any tips for that kinda sound...I'm looking to expand beyond the Iced Earth/Nevermore/Arch Enemy kind of speed metal route and into a little different...

...also...George Lynch wins...more than I had realised previously

Dude? Ok, NONE of those bands are 80s metal (with the exception of ARP who started his solo career in '89). So asking for an 80s sound isn't going to get you those bands. Their music is 80s-ish in style, but the sound isn't at all.

So you might wanna start looking elsewhere for that kinda sound, cuz 80s metal is going to get you in the Winger, GnR, Warrant, Skid Row, Whitesnake, etc kinda direction, which is probably not where you wanna go. From the list of bands you mentioned, I'd say you're looking for a modern 'power metal' type of sound. That's the direction you're heading for (And trust me, that's definately NOT a bad thing

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InTheRavensName · 12-24-2007, 11:06 AM

I'm talking about their influences Rog, that school of guitar playing...not so much the 80's glam scene, but the higher end of that into the 80's shred scene, also counting in that the 70's Amott influence list (Thin Lizzy and co.)

Sound wise I'm modern power metal, I'm pretty happy with my tone, just need some new scales and techniques etc that scream Lynch/Schenker etc

Thanks though!

Regor · 12-24-2007, 11:07 AM

Ok, I see what you're saying. Although personally I've never looked at a band's influences to learn how to play like the band. I rather just let 'that band' influence my playing.

Good luck.

InTheRavensName · 12-24-2007, 03:19 PM

thanks Rog...I just like to dig a lil' deeper

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12-21-2007, 01:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
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ElRay Mostly Harmless Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 1,083 Real Name: DjentArthurDjen Thanked: 21 $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	90% of tone is in the fingers. Are you wearing the requisite skin tight pants? That affects your blood pressure and causes slight edema of the upper extremities, which affects your tone. Also, is your hair long enough? The constant pushing your hair out of the way or simply running your fingers through your hair several times an hour allows the residual hair-care products to soak into your fingers, which keeps them supple and adds to the 80's tone. Alternatively, you could just soak your fingers in conditioner, mousse, pomade, or something similar. Ray The Ultimate Question: What string gauge is needed for 18.84# of tension when tuned to E2 on a 27" scale guitar?

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12-21-2007, 03:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 8,773 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 50	for techniques, scales, modes etc - one word - SHRED for tone - MARSHALL You like George Lynch sound - check there - George Lynch live rigs the official George Lynch website www.georgelynch.com by Naturally Wired Designs

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Jongpil Yun Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,216 Real Name: JP Main Seven: RG 7620 (VK) Thanked: 25	I'll give you a hint. It's the name of one of the mods here. (E Aeolian)

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Lucky Seven Lucky☆Seven Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 1,991 Real Name: Kyle O. Main Seven: RG7620 Rig: Peavey XXX Thanked: 54	Have an amp with just under the amount of proper amount of gain, add an overdrive with level all the way up and gain all the way down. Then add a chorus. With 80's metal, it's less about gain and more about attack and dynamics and chorus, lol. I can get Paul Gilbert and Wolf Hoffman's tone! w00t!

12-24-2007, 11:06 AM	#8 (permalink)
InTheRavensName Metal Machine =) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 2,712 Real Name: Ross The Great Main Seven: 666 strings only Rig: POD XTLive Thanked: 7	I'm talking about their influences Rog, that school of guitar playing...not so much the 80's glam scene, but the higher end of that into the 80's shred scene, also counting in that the 70's Amott influence list (Thin Lizzy and co.) Sound wise I'm modern power metal, I'm pretty happy with my tone, just need some new scales and techniques etc that scream Lynch/Schenker etc Thanks though!

12-24-2007, 11:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
Regor God Bless Mike Join Date: May 2005 Location: Detroit Rawk City Posts: 3,681 Real Name: Mr.Luxury Yacht Main Seven: Ibz RG2127X (The Japanez) Rig: TriAxis/G-Force/2:90 Thanked: 55	Ok, I see what you're saying. Although personally I've never looked at a band's influences to learn how to play like the band. I rather just let 'that band' influence my playing. Good luck.

12-24-2007, 03:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
InTheRavensName Metal Machine =) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 2,712 Real Name: Ross The Great Main Seven: 666 strings only Rig: POD XTLive Thanked: 7	thanks Rog...I just like to dig a lil' deeper


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