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WayneCustom7 · 10-26-2005, 12:36 PM

I got a brainstorm, and hopefully this will help others. Learning one scale will yield knowledge of atleast 7 scales. Yes that's right. With the diatonic (7) scale(s) they are all relative, change the STARTING POSITION and you have a brand new scale. Here look at this chart I just made, off the top of my head, simply by counting, using C MAJOR (IONIAN) as the reference.

Here it is on the fretboard:

Notice for example the low E string. So if we are playing a scale on that string, starting on the FIRST FRET , looking at the chart we see it's a LYDIAN - F -w -G- w -A -w -B -h- C- w -D- w - E. Or if you're a position junkie, Ist, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 12th. Now you wouldn't play the scale on the one string so that's why we memorize the pattern.

Please, I'm new to this so forgive me if I made an error...chip in and correct me.

JJ Rodriguez · 10-26-2005, 03:29 PM

I knew that before, but holy shit that's an awesome graph and really makes it easier to think of it, especially since my theory is sub par.

dumbarse · 10-26-2005, 04:05 PM

I just learned that fairly recently as well. This should really be one of the first things every guitar teacher shows their students, it really helps simply learning modes.

eaeolian · 10-26-2005, 04:14 PM

Other than the fretboard diagram having a missing string, this is a pretty useful way of visualizing it. I learned it the hard way, dammit...

WayneCustom7 · 10-26-2005, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaeolian

Other than the fretboard diagram having a missing string, this is a pretty useful way of visualizing it. I learned it the hard way, dammit...

I knew that was coming

Shawn · 10-26-2005, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Rodriguez

I knew that before, but holy shit that's an awesome graph and really makes it easier to think of it, especially since my theory is sub par.

+1

Beelzebloke · 10-26-2005, 05:27 PM

Nice graph...

Isn't that fretboard a screen-grab off looknohands??

WayneCustom7 · 10-26-2005, 07:19 PM

OK so I want to introduce one more thing, and that's chords. In a second we will look at another chart, that at first will appear confusing, but once you start mapping things out, you'll see just how easy it is to build chords. First off we start with Triads, which consist of 3 notes.
A major triad consists of the First(root), the third and the fifth. (please see diagram). As an example, let's use C maj.

C-(C#/Db)-D-(D#/Eb)-E-F-(F#/Gb)-G-(G#/Ab)-A-(A#/Bb)-B-C
-----------w---------w-h---------w----------w---------w-h
1-----------2---------3-4---------5-----------6---------7

So with this basic formula in mind we can build any chord.
C minor triad, just drop the third one 1/2 step. Suspended triads, there's no third so we replace it with the second (sus2) or the 4th(sus4).
Seventh chords, no sweat. Let's start with the minor as there is one type. Starting with the minor triad, add the minor 7th...that's it.
Now major sevenths there are two types:
Add a major 7th to a major triad. Cmaj7
Add a flat 7 to a major triad, and it's a dominant 7th. Written C7
The same applies for sixths and 6/9ths
Let's look at the chart

Scott · 10-26-2005, 09:12 PM

ouch. That last graph is too bright for my shitty eyes

WayneCustom7 · 10-26-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by koss

ouch. That last graph is too bright for my shitty eyes

I tried to use colors to separate things...I only have shitty MS Works, maybe I'll do it again at work...

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10-26-2005, 12:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
WayneCustom7 Paolo Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 3,026 Real Name: Paolo Main Seven: EBMM JP7 Rig: GT8-Pvy60/60-2-1x12 Thanked: 9	More on Theory I got a brainstorm, and hopefully this will help others. Learning one scale will yield knowledge of atleast 7 scales. Yes that's right. With the diatonic (7) scale(s) they are all relative, change the STARTING POSITION and you have a brand new scale. Here look at this chart I just made, off the top of my head, simply by counting, using C MAJOR (IONIAN) as the reference. Here it is on the fretboard: Notice for example the low E string. So if we are playing a scale on that string, starting on the FIRST FRET , looking at the chart we see it's a LYDIAN - F -w -G- w -A -w -B -h- C- w -D- w - E. Or if you're a position junkie, Ist, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 12th. Now you wouldn't play the scale on the one string so that's why we memorize the pattern. Please, I'm new to this so forgive me if I made an error...chip in and correct me. "and we'll also be establishing, beyond all scientific doubt, that ANY note can be made to sound good over ANY chord, so long as you put it in the right place!" Guthrie Govan

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dumbarse ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 24 Thanked: 0	I just learned that fairly recently as well. This should really be one of the first things every guitar teacher shows their students, it really helps simply learning modes.

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eaeolian The Church of SEVEN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 10,391 Real Name: Mike Main Seven: Jackson CS Soloist 7 Rig: Mesa Triple Recto Thanked: 51	Other than the fretboard diagram having a missing string, this is a pretty useful way of visualizing it. I learned it the hard way, dammit...

10-26-2005, 07:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
WayneCustom7 Paolo Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 3,026 Real Name: Paolo Main Seven: EBMM JP7 Rig: GT8-Pvy60/60-2-1x12 Thanked: 9	OK so I want to introduce one more thing, and that's chords. In a second we will look at another chart, that at first will appear confusing, but once you start mapping things out, you'll see just how easy it is to build chords. First off we start with Triads, which consist of 3 notes. A major triad consists of the First(root), the third and the fifth. (please see diagram). As an example, let's use C maj. C-(C#/Db)-D-(D#/Eb)-E-F-(F#/Gb)-G-(G#/Ab)-A-(A#/Bb)-B-C -----------w---------w-h---------w----------w---------w-h 1-----------2---------3-4---------5-----------6---------7 So with this basic formula in mind we can build any chord. C minor triad, just drop the third one 1/2 step. Suspended triads, there's no third so we replace it with the second (sus2) or the 4th(sus4). Seventh chords, no sweat. Let's start with the minor as there is one type. Starting with the minor triad, add the minor 7th...that's it. Now major sevenths there are two types: Add a major 7th to a major triad. Cmaj7 Add a flat 7 to a major triad, and it's a dominant 7th. Written C7 The same applies for sixths and 6/9ths Let's look at the chart

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