Problems learning a Korn song!?

Karl Hungus · 06-23-2007, 11:36 PM

Ok, so this actually sounds a little embarressing, but I have to get it off my chest, it seems.

Right now, I'm learning Dream Theater's The Dark Eternal Night, and I have to say, while it's a challenge, I've already got the first few riffs in the hat, and hopefully I'll have it all learned off before long. Has to be one of the most satisfying things I've learned since I first learned Opeth's The Leper Affinity.

So I thought to myself, why not add a simple little song to my repetoir (sp?) and I decided I'd learn some Korn. I've given "Coming Undone" a go, as it seemed perfectly simple, but for all my effort, I just cannot seem to get the main riff, and it's puzzling me as to why...

I don't know, I just can't get the rythm.

It's wierd that I seem to be tackling a much more difficult song with much greater ease.

DDDorian · 06-23-2007, 11:48 PM

Well, firstly, do you have a masked guy behind a curtain playing along with you? That might help

Secondly, that riff in particular really does sound like a random assortment of grooveless notes, so it makes sense that you'd have trouble picking up on it. Usually I'd advocate working on challenging grooves, but not if they suck, heh. If you persist, you could always put the mp3 of the song into whatever recording software you use and then set up a second track with a constant stream of quarter-notes clicking away in the background so as to give you a "grounding" and help you analyse where the groove lies. You could do the same thing with a MIDI file too, or even just set up a metronome next to your stereo.

neon_black88 · 06-24-2007, 12:28 AM

Get a few meshuggah songs down and you shouldent have a problem with that intro. The way id do it is try and not think about what the drums are doing just kinda think of the guitar in its own little space without worring about the beat the drums are doing. For instance

3 -------------|
/ ------------- |
4 555-5-555-5-|

If you can play that your laughing just remmember the 4/4 snare and kick are gana land in a differnt spot to you each time. And the rest is just feeling when the end of the four bars is comming to repeat those extra notes.

Man sorry im horrible at explaining things but i hope that helps. Dont worry sometimes people can show me the simplest riff and for some reason it just takes me ages to adjust to it, like a simple rock chord riff.

Karl Hungus · 06-25-2007, 11:51 PM

Thanks guys... I'm still concentrating mostly on Dark Eternal Night and I just wanted to learn something simple aswell.

It's evident that I've no experience with the off-time stuff, so I'm going to leave Coming Undone, and I'm going to learn Here To Stay instead. That seems much more straight forward.

eleven59 · 06-26-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl Hungus

Thanks guys... I'm still concentrating mostly on Dark Eternal Night and I just wanted to learn something simple aswell.

It's evident that I've no experience with the off-time stuff, so I'm going to leave Coming Undone, and I'm going to learn Here To Stay instead. That seems much more straight forward.

Check out "Did My Time", it's one of my favourite Korn songs to play.

Karl Hungus · 06-27-2007, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven59

Check out "Did My Time", it's one of my favourite Korn songs to play.

Yeah, I'll give that a go next. Didn't take any time at all to learn Here To Stay... At this rate I'll know more Korn songs than Dream Theater!

distressed_romeo · 06-27-2007, 01:45 PM

One thing that really helps me when I'm learning wierd rhythms is clapping them out, and getting them sorted mentally before I try them on the guitar. Try clapping the pulse (like the beat of a metronome) with one hand, or by tapping your foot, whilst tapping the beat of the riff with the other. It'll really help you internalise where the downbeats fall, and so when you pick up the guitar, it'll feel a lot more natural.

Sebastian · 06-27-2007, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl Hungus

Yeah, I'll give that a go next. Didn't take any time at all to learn Here To Stay... At this rate I'll know more Korn songs than Dream Theater!

Man you will know 2 KORN songs !!! awesome !!!

djpharoah · 06-29-2007, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven59

Check out "Did My Time", it's one of my favourite Korn songs to play.

hell yeah - just finished playing it perfectly with the song.

Karl - remember Munky uses tracks on the songs and digitech whammy pedal - so when it sounds like another note its actually the pedal.

acie_umbel · 07-27-2007, 05:18 PM

not to brag but i can pretty much play every korn song and my band sounds alot like korn sometime the simple riffs are the best...plus we use alot of pedals

06-23-2007, 11:36 PM	#1
Karl Hungus Mimetic polyalloy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,988 Main Seven: EBMM JP7, Stealth 7 Rig: ENGL Invader 100 !!! Thanked: 184	Problems learning a Korn song!? Ok, so this actually sounds a little embarressing, but I have to get it off my chest, it seems. Right now, I'm learning Dream Theater's The Dark Eternal Night, and I have to say, while it's a challenge, I've already got the first few riffs in the hat, and hopefully I'll have it all learned off before long. Has to be one of the most satisfying things I've learned since I first learned Opeth's The Leper Affinity. So I thought to myself, why not add a simple little song to my repetoir (sp?) and I decided I'd learn some Korn. I've given "Coming Undone" a go, as it seemed perfectly simple, but for all my effort, I just cannot seem to get the main riff, and it's puzzling me as to why... I don't know, I just can't get the rythm. It's wierd that I seem to be tackling a much more difficult song with much greater ease. http://www.myspace.com/enrapturedeire karlhungus.com - Reviews, opinions and more!

06-27-2007, 01:45 PM	#7
distressed_romeo I R not Chthulu... Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albion Posts: 9,535 Real Name: I have many... Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser Main ERG: Aria bass tuned in fifths Rig: POD v2.0 Thanked: 198	One thing that really helps me when I'm learning wierd rhythms is clapping them out, and getting them sorted mentally before I try them on the guitar. Try clapping the pulse (like the beat of a metronome) with one hand, or by tapping your foot, whilst tapping the beat of the riff with the other. It'll really help you internalise where the downbeats fall, and so when you pick up the guitar, it'll feel a lot more natural. Dreaming in infared... http://farsideguitars.blogspot.com/

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06-23-2007, 11:48 PM	#2
DDDorian Later, ace! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere, Australia Posts: 2,363 Main Seven: Schecter 007 Elite in che Rig: Sunn Beta Lead Thanked: 137	Well, firstly, do you have a masked guy behind a curtain playing along with you? That might help Secondly, that riff in particular really does sound like a random assortment of grooveless notes, so it makes sense that you'd have trouble picking up on it. Usually I'd advocate working on challenging grooves, but not if they suck, heh. If you persist, you could always put the mp3 of the song into whatever recording software you use and then set up a second track with a constant stream of quarter-notes clicking away in the background so as to give you a "grounding" and help you analyse where the groove lies. You could do the same thing with a MIDI file too, or even just set up a metronome next to your stereo.

06-24-2007, 12:28 AM	#3
neon_black88 ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: Vic, Melbourne Australia Posts: 1,109 Real Name: Sam Main Seven: Schecter 007 Elite Rig: Peavey Valveking 112 Thanked: 30	Get a few meshuggah songs down and you shouldent have a problem with that intro. The way id do it is try and not think about what the drums are doing just kinda think of the guitar in its own little space without worring about the beat the drums are doing. For instance 3 -------------\| / ------------- \| 4 555-5-555-5-\| If you can play that your laughing just remmember the 4/4 snare and kick are gana land in a differnt spot to you each time. And the rest is just feeling when the end of the four bars is comming to repeat those extra notes. Man sorry im horrible at explaining things but i hope that helps. Dont worry sometimes people can show me the simplest riff and for some reason it just takes me ages to adjust to it, like a simple rock chord riff.

06-25-2007, 11:51 PM	#4
Karl Hungus Mimetic polyalloy Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,988 Main Seven: EBMM JP7, Stealth 7 Rig: ENGL Invader 100 !!! Thanked: 184	Thanks guys... I'm still concentrating mostly on Dark Eternal Night and I just wanted to learn something simple aswell. It's evident that I've no experience with the off-time stuff, so I'm going to leave Coming Undone, and I'm going to learn Here To Stay instead. That seems much more straight forward.

07-27-2007, 05:18 PM	#10
acie_umbel ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: louisa,KY Posts: 17 Real Name: Acie-Allen Main Seven: Ibanez k7 apex 2 Rig: mesa boogie half stc Thanked: 0	not to brag but i can pretty much play every korn song and my band sounds alot like korn sometime the simple riffs are the best...plus we use alot of pedals


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