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Unread 04-11-2012, 08:57 PM   #1
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Question Help with Open and Barre Chords

Hi, well i posted recently some post here and well recently i decided to start with the basics.
And i found some info in other post and well i decided to start with Chords
I play metal (Death/Thrash) so i want to know if i need to learn all the chords (open and barre) if i play this genre?
At first im learning Open ones (D, C, G, E and A)
Also are there some songs to help with this?

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Unread 04-11-2012, 10:32 PM   #2
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I will get slated.
But Death and Thrash barely use open chord voicings,
mainly it's 5th, minor/major third, diminished and aug kinda chords.
even still I wouldn't imagine they'll be massive chords you'll see in prog, jazz or blues.
Unless you're wanting to go extremely melodic.

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If you learn the theory behind chord construction, then you don't need to learn shapes. There are only twelve intervals, and they apply to 100% of the music that you're talking about, so you should probably get comfortable hearing, singing, and playing them.

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I tend to think of chords on the fretboard in terms of different intervals in relation to the root. If you memorize these patterns, then you should be able to build any triad with very little work:



Just pick one of each chord member - 1 3 5 for major triads, 1 b3 5 for minor, 1 b3 b5 for diminished, and 1 3 #5 for augmented - find a comfortable and harmonious voicing, then go.
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I second what SW said. Learning shapes is fairly useless once you start trying to expand the music you're playing. Learning basic chord construction will help you much more, in the long run. Then you won't be limited to the chords you "know", as you'll be able to work out any chord. Learn basic theory (try the free sample chapters of my book for simple explanation of theory and ways you can use it to create your own music. There's a link to it in my sig.) and how to construct a chord then your progress will be much faster and more informed.

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If you learn the theory behind chord construction, then you don't need to learn shapes. There are only twelve intervals, and they apply to 100% of the music that you're talking about, so you should probably get comfortable hearing, singing, and playing them.

Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net

I tend to think of chords on the fretboard in terms of different intervals in relation to the root. If you memorize these patterns, then you should be able to build any triad with very little work:

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t.../chordcons.jpg

Just pick one of each chord member - 1 3 5 for major triads, 1 b3 5 for minor, 1 b3 b5 for diminished, and 1 3 #5 for augmented - find a comfortable and harmonious voicing, then go.
Thank you very much for the information, i have a doubt now, i need to experiment with those triads? in various positions i mean, because i didnt understand it very well, sorry im new in this chord stuff
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Take a scale. Play the root, 3rd note and the 5th note. You should know what the names of those notes are, for the scale you're using. Find a way to play them all together. You may need to move one or two of them up or down an octave to make it playable. The result is a triad based on the root note of the scale. If you ascend 3 semitones from the root note to the 3rd then it's a minor based chord i.e. C Db D Eb. If you ascend 4 semitones from the root to the 3rd then it's a major based chord I.E. C to E: C C# D D# E. You can probably find most of the notes you used elsewhere on the neck. These make up the different chord positions, but you should practise working the chords out quickly. This is a very short description and I'm missing bits out but if you learn scale theory, chords will be a simple step from there.


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well it seems to be some kind difficult to me, but im gonna try it.
btw im reading this article:
UG Community @ Ultimate-Guitar.Com - READ THIS STICKY (guide to all techniques)
and it has some information that i think is useful (for me) and there it comes some info about chords (4.1).
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Thank you very much for the information, i have a doubt now, i need to experiment with those triads? in various positions i mean, because i didnt understand it very well, sorry im new in this chord stuff
It's just a way to think about building triads. The idea is that those shapes are totally movable. If we wanted to build a major triad (135) on G#, you would first find the root note, then add a third and a fifth. I'm going to show three different voicings, based on different locations of the root.

Code:
G#
Roots:

e-4--x-x
B-x--x-9
G-x-13-x
D-6--x-6
A-x-11-x
E-4--x-x

With thirds and fifths:

e-4--x-8
B-4-13-9
G-5-13-8
D-6-13-6
A-6-11-x
E-4--x-x
And, if we wanted to make that minor, we'd choose a b3 rather than a regular 3.

Code:
G#m

e-4--x-7
B-4-12-9
G-4-13-8
D-6-13-6
A-6-11-x
E-4--x-x
Understand how that works? And, like I said, these shapes are totally movable. If we wanted to do the same thing with a root note of A, all we have to do is move it up a half-step.

Code:
Am

e-5--x-8
B-5-13-10
G-5-14-9
D-7-14-7
A-7-12-x
E-5--x-x
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It's just a way to think about building triads. The idea is that those shapes are totally movable. If we wanted to build a major triad (135) on G#, you would first find the root note, then add a third and a fifth. I'm going to show three different voicings, based on different locations of the root.

Code:
G#
Roots:

e-4--x-x
B-x--x-9
G-x-13-x
D-6--x-6
A-x-11-x
E-4--x-x

With thirds and fifths:

e-4--x-8
B-4-13-9
G-5-13-8
D-6-13-6
A-6-11-x
E-4--x-x
And, if we wanted to make that minor, we'd choose a b3 rather than a regular 3.

Code:
G#m

e-4--x-7
B-4-12-9
G-4-13-8
D-6-13-6
A-6-11-x
E-4--x-x
Understand how that works? And, like I said, these shapes are totally movable. If we wanted to do the same thing with a root note of A, all we have to do is move it up a half-step.

Code:
Am

e-5--x-8
B-5-13-10
G-5-14-9
D-7-14-7
A-7-12-x
E-5--x-x
Alright i think i understand it
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Probably too difficult since you are a beginner and only know a few chords, but you try listening to Opeth for some ideas, death metal with sweet chordy goodness, and some black metal bands are more chord oriented.
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Probably too difficult since you are a beginner and only know a few chords, but you try listening to Opeth for some ideas, death metal with sweet chordy goodness, and some black metal bands are more chord oriented.
Thanks and im not a beginner at all, only im learning (again) some of the basics
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After a while, you learn that you're always a beginner and there are always things to learn. If you ever feel that you're not learning then you've been copying not learning. Musical education cycles: you learn chords, you learn chord extensions, you think you're too good for lowly triads, you lose definition, you improve at triads and become more concise, you start reintroducing extensions, you think you're too good for lowly triads et c.


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After a while, you learn that you're always a beginner and there are always things to learn. If you ever feel that you're not learning then you've been copying not learning. Musical education cycles: you learn chords, you learn chord extensions, you think you're too good for lowly triads, you lose definition, you improve at triads and become more concise, you start reintroducing extensions, you think you're too good for lowly triads et c.

You're right and well i gonna start as a begginer and start learning, at the moment im gonna use a book i have from Hal Leanard its from the Fast Track Series.
And learn some theory, but i dont know where to start
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Start with the free sample chapters of my book, what with them being free and all.


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