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| Vince is X!!! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 7,613
Real Name: Vince Main Seven: Ibanez Rig: Rocktron / Mesa Thanked: 108
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I've got writer's block when it comes to lead guitar... ...recently. Alright, Let's say we're working with a chromatic chord progression like this... B5, C5, B5, A#5, repeat. Each chord takes up 2 beats, so the pattern repeats in 2 measures of 4/4. The bass & rhythm guitar are just playing the basic chords, no color tones, nothing unusual. The drums & percussion are clicking along at about 125 bpm. What do you do? I've tried running arpeggios similiar to Petrucci's in The Glass Prison, I've tried being ultra melodic, but when the chord changes to the A# I have problems resolving. I've thought of playing in B Locrian or B Phrygian for the first measure and then B harmonic minor for the second measure, and that works harmonically, but I can't seem to put together a melody or pattern that really works. Any ideas? I'm fucking stumped here. |
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| Metal Machine =) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 2,705
Real Name: Ross The Great Main Seven: 666 strings only Rig: POD XTLive Thanked: 7
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ...fuck it, I'll sound arty Turn the amps up, play through and just rip, go crazy, don't stress about what you're playing, your ear will probably keep you in key...but just wail, try whatever, maybe a different technique? Tapping? Sabaton ![]() |
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| Vince is X!!! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 7,613
Real Name: Vince Main Seven: Ibanez Rig: Rocktron / Mesa Thanked: 108
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![]() It's difficult to keep in key, because the underlying riff itself isn't in a particular key, it's chromatic. | |
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| Sumerian 7string Sorcery ![]() Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Eleven-day Empire Posts: 9,593
Real Name: I have many... Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser/LTD M207 Main ERG: Aria bass tuned in fifths Rig: POD v2.0 Thanked: 178
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Why not treat B as the root note, and think of everything around that tonal centre? If you want a scale choice, how about B Double Harmonic: B C# D E F# G A#. You could try playing various diminished or chromatic ideas and resolving them to a tone of whatever chord you're on... Or there's always the Kirk Hammet method of just playing blues licks over the whole thing... ![]() 'If one octave isn't interesting then who the hell cares about the others?!' Diamanda Galas http://farsideguitars.blogspot.com/ |
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| Mod Britannia • Super Moderator • Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Basildon, Essex, England Posts: 11,123
Real Name: James Main Seven: Death Warrior/KXK Sii-7 Rig: Dual Rec->Trace 3x12 Thanked: 48
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Just abuse the living shit out of your trem or a whammy pedal set to 2 octaves up. Works for me! ![]() |
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| Senior Member ![]() Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: location Posts: 2,456
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![]() | After reading this, I didn't really know what I'd do either, so down to the studio I went to find out what my brain had to offer. I left the drum track at 120 bpm, recorded the progression for a few measures, then started laying down lead work. At first it was kinda sketchy, because the chord structure isn't diatonic. Time to get creative. I found after a few runs at it that I liked E Harmonic Minor, with the tonal center on the 5th: B. You got 2 out of 3 of your notes, and the Bb just adds just enough flavor to spice it up a bit. Of course, Harmonic Minor is one of my weak points, so I lost interest rather quickly after that. ![]() |
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| 50w of fury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Snohomish WA Posts: 1,687
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| Shomer Fucking Shabbos! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 16,501
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I did like Ken, and jammed it out, recorded it. I was wanking with something in F phrygian that sounded acceptable. It feels like a pseudo resolution on F and Eb. As long as you throw some chromatic passing tones in there, kinda pitch diatonic melody out the window, and just let wankage begin, it sounds rather interesting. |
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| prototyping... ![]() Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 3,489
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | The riff can be heard as diatonic to any scale that has 2 semitones in a row. My personal favorite is Hungarian minor. I visualize hungarian minor on the guitar as 1,#2,3,4,#5,6,7 with 6 as the root. But probably most others would prefer to think of it as 1,2,b3,#4,5,b6,7. This is the same as harmonic minor with a raised 4. So over this progression you could think of A#=#4, B=5 & C=b6. So the notes in your scale would be: E, F#, G, A#, B, C, D#. I love the sound of this scale - give it a try ![]() to strictly adhere to this scale, you would have to change the upper note of your last power-chord to E natural instead of E#(F). This would change the last chord of your progression to a tri-tone instead of a power-chord and would add a sense of pushing the music forward. |
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