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Unread 02-08-2010, 09:17 PM   #1
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Post Technical Death Metal writing/composing help

so i wanna get into writing technical death metal stuff like riffs and all

but i dont know where to start or how to get started

i really like necrophagist's style and a bit of origin's too,
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and i keep my guitar at E standard just incase anybody asks what i tune to
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Unread 02-08-2010, 10:30 PM   #2
 
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I would say get your down picking as best as you possibly can and come up with tremolo or fast picked melodies. But mainly work on rhythm first. Hope that helps.
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Work on your alt picking, trem picking and string skipping, alot. And chromatic scales are your friend.
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Minor and diminished chords, scales based around those, don't chug too much.



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Strict alternate picking for rhythm work will help a ton. Also what SchecterWhore said.
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Um, its like everything else, lots of practice

Learn a few tech songs and see how THEY built them up so you have some tools in your box to work with. Try some necrophagist or spawn of possession

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just play whatever sounds good and tech-y for you. after all, you write music for yourself, not others

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Haha damnit I knew I'd mentioned someone twice.

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Minor and diminished chords, scales based around those, don't chug too much.

ok im gonna sound like a noob for asking this ....
but how do u apply those? like do u play the notes that are in the diminished and minor chords? cause i get confused when it comes to that type of stuff


and thnx guys
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ok im gonna sound like a noob for asking this ....
but how do u apply those? like do u play the notes that are in the diminished and minor chords? cause i get confused when it comes to that type of stuff


and thnx guys
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This video was posted in the 12 Tone-thread. It explains a cool use of a 12 Tone row made of disminished 7th chords, in a technical death metal context.
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Yes, yes lots of Psycroptic. All you need to do is tune to Drop D.

EDIT: That above video is ....ing awesome. I do something perhaps kind of similar, at least similar to the very first thing he shows you, using all twelve notes in some random combination. I'm a dolt with theory so I can't actually make all that much sense of what is being explained, but Ron is explaining it very well. What I do is write a riff using every note only once, it's kind of fun and you can come up with some really neat weird sounding riffs when you stumble upon a particular combination by accident. I write everything by accident.
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This video was posted in the 12 Tone-thread. It explains a cool use of a 12 Tone row made of disminished 7th chords, in a technical death metal context.
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and the cool thing is that this ron guy teaches in the south side from where i live at
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ok im gonna sound like a noob for asking this ....
but how do u apply those? like do u play the notes that are in the diminished and minor chords? cause i get confused when it comes to that type of stuff


and thnx guys
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The Jarzombek example is good.


This is sort of where I was going:

Code:
This is a diminished seventh chord - 

e-----9-12
b---11
G-12
D-
A-
E-


This is a melodic idea based around that chord -

e-----9-t14-/15-p9-11/12
b---11
G-12
D-
A-
E-
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Again, a diminished chord -

e-
b-
G-
D-----6-9
A-5-8
E-

Here's a little melodic idea that you can cycle really fast, with just that
arpeggio and two passing tones -

e-
b-
G-
D-------6-8-9-8-6------
A-5-6-8-----------8-6-5
E-
Code:
In a similar fashion, here's a minor chord -

e-
b-
G----------11
D-------11
A-9-12
E-

And a couple embellishments to make a melody -

e-
b-
G---------11-10-9
D---------11-10-9
A-9-10-12
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that's not a minor chord there, that's F#aug

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that's not a minor chord there, that's F#aug
Oops, I had it on the wrong string. Fixed.



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ok so let me see if i got this

he plays the notes from the dimished chords like lets say d# dimished 7th
which contains the notes D#. F# C and A

does the play like those four notes when top(low) strings
and only play those notes in the riff?
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not to repeat the monotonous answer that you are probably dreading but...practice: the worst thing that can come from that is you get better.

Theroy is your friend, everyone who says "i dont want theroy to limit my creativity" is full of it. They're just to lazy to learn the science side of music.

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not to repeat the monotonous answer that you are probably dreading but...practice: the worst thing that can come from that is you get better.

Theroy is your friend, everyone who says "i dont want theroy to limit my creativity" is full of it. They're just to lazy to learn the science side of music.

Once you know how music works the sky is the limit dude. Unless you suck like me haha
haha your probably right
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so any one got anymore advice?
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In that video, the rhythm guitar part is just chugging away, and the lead is arpeggios and scalar figures.



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