[D-EJ915]

I always thought evolution was a cop out too "we evolved from goo" it's an easy answer to a complex question. It's just gotten way more embellished as people have discovered new crap to add onto it.

[ElRay]

Originally Posted by ohmanthisiscool

... but I'm an IDIOT for even suggesting ID as plausable. It's biased but, there it is.

It's not biased, it's simple logic. ID is inherently flawed.

If the claim is that life is to complex to evolve on it's own, then somebody must have created whomever created us and somebody must have created the folks that created the folks that created us ... All the way back to the first creators. Whom either sprung-up on their own (negating you initial premise) or are some divine, omnipotent entity and ID collapses into just another version of Creationism.

And that's without any science. If you study biology, you'd see that there are far, far, far, too many stupid "design choices" that even if ID wasn't logically flawed, it doesn't make sense that any entity intelligent enough to design us would make such amateurish mistakes.

ID proponents essentially fall into two main groups: Arrogant Scientists (If I can't figure it out, it has to be "magical") and Creationists trying to sneak a disguised version of their claptrap into schools.

Ray

[Carrion]

Originally Posted by Trespass

Fuck, can't you guys realize the reason us ID/Creationists try to convince you guys is not for some crazy self-serving scheme, were doing everything we can to help you guys reach a paradise we believe in. We are moved by compassion!

For us, its the same as someone dying in the desert, and we know the location of the oasis that would save your life, and only ask that you trust us to help guide you there. We're not carrying you, you have to get to the water yourself. We do these things because we try to love one another, for peace and prosperity, and freedom of speech.

Sorry, but I can't determine if this is a joke or not. ID is justified and should be taught because the reward is better for believing it than not? That's not how schools determine what should be taught. We don't have anything to honestly learn from ID (In its current form).

[ZeroSignal]

I can guarantee that no one who watches this film will ever lose a friend or a job.

I love the way they made Richard Dawkins sound like a xenophobe.

[Vince]

IMO, both Atheism and Faithfullness are ridiculous to me because either way you're just guessing and assuming a position. No one knows for sure one way or another.

I look at it this way... picture a huge circle, maybe 20-30 meters wide. That big circle represents all the knowledge in the universe. Now imagine a tiny dot on that circle, made with let's say a pen or marker. That dot represents what humanity, us, actually know about the universe. There's almost an infinite amount we do not know. Science & research is there to expand that dot and through those academic pursuits we learn more about the universe we live in. Religion, or faithfulness, on the other hand, guesses in the darkness, trys to fill in the void without reason, research, or critical intelligent thought.

We do not know what is out there. We only have 5 senses, can only see & hear a small amount of wavelengths we know exist, and if you follow any peer-reviewed research about things like string theory, there are as many as 9-13 dimensions we do not understand or know about that potentially hold the universe together.

SO, to say there DEFINITELY is a God, or you DEFINITELY know about what happens to you after you die is close minded, just as saying there DEFINITELY isn't a God is just as close-minded, because we simply don't know. Ideas are good. Intelligent thought & discourse is good. Beliefs are bad. No one dies for an idea, but people will go to war over beliefs.

I'm a Recovering Catholic, and I'm proud to say I'm agnostic. I do not know, do not assume the arrogance to say I know, and either way I believe life is beautiful and we're all very lucky to be alive.

[TomAwesome]

That's more or less how I see it, too, Vince. Agnostic is probably the closest religious description to what I am as well.

[daybean]

i dont think you can picture all the knowledge of the universe, since we dont know what is out there. we dont even know what is all that is our own planet, this topic is open for different views, some hold water and some just cant be reasonable. my post may not be reasonable, hell, my spelling might be way off as well.

...2 cents

[TomAwesome]

Originally Posted by daybean

i dont think you can picture all the knowledge of the universe, since we dont know what is out there. we dont know what is all that is our own planet, this topic is open for different views, some hold water and some just cant be reasonable. my post may not be reasonable, hell, my spelling might be way off as well.

...2 cents

That was actually his point with the analogy. He was saying that if that large circle was everything there was to know, that tiny insignificant dot is what we do know.

[daybean]

my point was to agree, but x ?. or not we just don't know, and some off the shit we think we know, is wrong. thats where religion and other stuff that cant be anwsered, dead or alive or what ever this universe, planet, god, gods have for us in the future.

[TomAwesome]

Oh, well nevermind that last post then.