EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed

canuck brian · 04-22-2008, 09:13 PM

The type of people that they're focusing this at is right in the title of the movie : no intelligence allowed.

Metal Ken · 04-22-2008, 09:16 PM

I used to think Ben Stein was cool.

TheHandOfStone · 04-22-2008, 09:43 PM

Intelligent design theory as it is usually presented seems like a cop out to me. It's easy for scientists to give up when they hit a brick wall and simply declare that a higher power is responsible. It gives them the satisfaction of having solved a problem and the reassurance that their life has a greater meaning. But if everyone were to take this approach, no more questions would get answered.

psychoticsnoman · 04-22-2008, 09:49 PM

i honestly think that it is somewhat interesting, if you really think about it...
i guess its the mystery of the questions that don't have answers and such, but it is a fun alternative to evolution to think about

I'm kind of curious to what you guys think "higher power" is referring to ?

ohio_eric · 04-22-2008, 09:53 PM

Intelligent Design got its start as a way to try and philisophically prove the existence of God. It later became a cornerstone of the Deism movement, which is a belief in God but a rejection of organized religion. Many of our founding fathers velonged to this school of thought. But in a nutshell that's it. It was never science. It was merely try to use philosophy to prove that God exists. No more no less.

Carrion · 04-22-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoticsnoman

i honestly think that it is somewhat interesting, if you really think about it...
( i guess its the mystery of the questions that don't have answers and such, but it is a fun alternative to evolution to think about) 1

(I'm kind of curious to what you guys think "higher power" is referring to ?)

1. There's nothing fun about it. It isn't scientific, therefore has no role in the schools.

2. A personal God, not a deist one. A high power would refer to an omnipotent being that allegedly created the universe, etc.

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Originally Posted by ohio_eric

Intelligent Design got its start as a way to try and philisophically prove the existence of God. It later became a cornerstone of the Deism movement, which is a belief in God but a rejection of organized religion. Many of our founding fathers velonged to this school of thought. But in a nutshell that's it. It was never science. It was merely try to use philosophy to prove that God exists. No more no less.

Well, at least they are actually trying now with irreducible complexity, although, it hasn't held much water (Much-so because it's pseudoscience, but whatever).

psychoticsnoman · 04-22-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrion

1. There's nothing fun about it. It isn't scientific, therefore has no role in the schools.

2. A personal God, not a deist one. A high power would refer to an omnipotent being that allegedly created the universe, etc.

Edit:

Well, at least they are actually trying now with irreducible complexity, although, it hasn't held much water (Much-so because it's pseudoscience, but whatever).

I'm not saying it should be in schools because clearly it has nothing to back up the claims it makes, just merely that it is somewhat interesting to think about.

its one of those things where you go "what if..." really quick then go on with life as you know it thats all

wes225 · 04-22-2008, 10:16 PM

im not even gonna get in this. cuase i know everyone here is athiest to extreme.

Carrion · 04-22-2008, 10:19 PM

I am not an extremist, what do you wish to discuss? Also, what do you accomplish by posting that?

ohmanthisiscool · 04-22-2008, 10:23 PM

From my view I see bens point. Long story short: My hardcore catholic friend gets into science and soon after becomes athiest. Also I know what it is like to be in a field that just for saying MAYBE ID is the answer to the creating of "life", but the evolutionary theary could be right too, but I'm an IDIOT for even suggesting ID as plausable. It's biased but, there it is.

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ohmanthisiscool SS.org Irregular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: PA Posts: 325 Real Name: Philip Banks Main Seven: Ibanez "Blade Grey" K7 Rig: Peavey XXX Thanked: 4	From my view I see bens point. Long story short: My hardcore catholic friend gets into science and soon after becomes athiest. Also I know what it is like to be in a field that just for saying MAYBE ID is the answer to the creating of "life", but the evolutionary theary could be right too, but I'm an IDIOT for even suggesting ID as plausable. It's biased but, there it is. Threadkiller

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