[Stitch]

Originally Posted by RickBwarn

The acting in IV V VI ... is nothing to be impressed by really. The only thing that bothers me about I II III is watching them and then watching IV V VI.

Where did all this power that Vader had in III disappear to in IV,
The change in special effects from III to IV is numbing, you get over it eventually, but it's disappointing.

I really don't like how little power Vader has in IV V VI.

I am happy to see lucas arts is putting out the filler story in form of a video game (Force Unleashed).

i assume you are about 15?

Originally Posted by 7 Strings of Hate

i thought epi 1 was a weak filler, but 2 and 3 were pretty damn good. i dont think that 1,2 and 3 live up to the expectation of the orginals, but they never could. There are so many star wars fanboys out there that just would not be satisfied no matter how good the new ones are, simply because they arnt the old ones. I look at it as getting to continue the adventure and learn more about the galaxy. i read all the books, and to be honost with ya, the movie story line is pretty boreing compared to some of the cool books stories that let you get to experience the SW universe from different perspectives

i also like the fact that, this story is in your imagination, and yet people cant imagine that perhapse, 4 5 and 6 were made like, 30 FUCKIN YEARS ago, so they are not going to look like the new ones, so use your imagination to beef up the older ones.

And as to vaders power. if you read the books and pay attention to the movies, there is a good explanitation of just about every thing you can think of. In the 1 2 and 3 episodes, there were tons of jedi, the force was strong through out the galaxy. in 4 5 and 6, there are no jedi barley, therefor, the force was over all weaker.

Fucking exactly dude. I couldn't have fucking said it better myself.

If the films were just like the old ones we'd all have been annoyed nothing had changed, and people getting into it just wouldn't see the appeal. But the way they are, they let down a lot of people just wanting the original trilogy with a new storyline.

And yeah, I'm the biggest Star Wars whore ever. I haven't touched anything involving the Yuazhan Vong onwards, because I don't have a fucking clue where to start, but man, I loved the uniiverse. I was such a geek for it, I did my Primary School project on the ships in the universe, complete with technical diagrams and useless trivia of what books they featured in and whatnot. I was like nine or 10. Then I discovered they had already made one, and I digested it all.

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by darren

I grew up with Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. These are the movies that shaped my childhood and sparked countless hours of imagination and play.

When Lucas started tinkering with them, it started ruining my own vision and imagination that filled in all the gaps around the stories. And then Episodes I, II and III completely slaughtered the whole idea. Yes, it was neat getting the back-story of one of moviedom's most notorious villains, but as movies, they were pretty sad. Good actors, badly directed.

What i loved about the original three was that it was quite possibly the first time a vision of "the future" was dirty, broken and imperfect.

Lucas should never been allowed to direct them. That was where it all went south...

[Kevan]

No I, II, III = No Natalie Portman.

FIN

[TomAwesome]

Originally Posted by Kevan

No I, II, III = No Natalie Portman.

FIN

Good point! It was nice seeing the back story of Leia's intense hotness.

[7 Strings of Hate]

Originally Posted by Stitch

I haven't touched anything involving the Yuazhan Vong onwards, because I don't have a fucking clue where to start

Try the dark nest triliogy of books, its a bit after the vong, but its a awesome triliogy. They have even gone 100 years past the battle of yavin with the "legacy" comic series, but being as its a comic book, they kind of fuck up the story so comic book fans will stay interested. I would not reccomend them. But they have been releasing tons of new books latley and they are pretty much all stellar. I'm a huge star wars whore too. A good portion of my money for the last 5 years or so has been from making and customizing the 4 inch and 12 inch figures. I actually make a killing. Then i buy gear and the dealers make a killing hence the cycle continues

[darren]

Originally Posted by Stitch

Lucas should never been allowed to direct them. That was where it all went south...

Lucas' smartest decision with the original trilogy was to bring in other directors. The best in the series is still The Empire Strikes Back.

And personally, i'd rather see Natalie Portman in a movie with a good script and good directing. She was horrible in all three Star Wars movies she was in.

[Naren]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think that fanboys are only deceiving themselves when they think that the new 3 have horrible dialogue and the old 3 don't. If you've ever seen the original 3, they all have wretched dialogue. I would say that the dialogue in the first 3 was even worse than in the new 3, with the exception of the dialogue between Anakin and Padme which was worse than anything in the original 3. Storylinewise, as well, the new ones weren't bad. I really disliked the first one, but that's about it.

This is how I would rate them in order from best to worse:
5 - Empire Strikes Back
6 - Return of the Jedi
3 - Revenge of the Sith
4 - A New Hope
2 - Attack of the Clones
1 - Phantom Menace

And I actually thought that Attack of the Clones was a pretty good movie with a few flaws.

Phantom Menace is the only one that sucked and even it had a lot of cool light saber scenes, such as the fight between Darth Maul and Obi Wan and Qui Gon.

My main disappointment was that I wanted Anakin to be somewhat evil from the very beginning and then just grow more dark, sinister, ruthless, vicious, and heartless as he went on. But it didn't go that way. He was more like an angsty teen gone too far.

Now I love the original 3 because I grew up with them and I've seen them all a zillion times. I have most of the dialogue memorized. I also prefer the world of the old ones where there are no jedi and Luke is learning an ancient art that only him, his evil father, and the evil emperor know. I also liked the actors better. In all cases, I'd say the original 3 are far superior, but I think that fans are WAY WAY too hard on the new 3.

Originally Posted by darren

What i loved about the original three was that it was quite possibly the first time a vision of "the future" was dirty, broken and imperfect.

Actually there were quite a few distopian films with dirty, broken , imperfect movies before the first Star Wars (1977) - because even though it's not really the future, it's "futuristic." Soylent Green (1973) is one that comes immediately to mind.

[YYZ2112]

Wow Naren, I can't believe how far down "A New Hope" is on your rankings.

I do agree though, Empire is the best of all the Episodes. I love how dark and serious this one is.

[Naren]

Originally Posted by YYZ2112

Wow Naren, I can't believe how far down "A New Hope" is on your rankings.

I do agree though, Empire is the best of all the Episodes. I love how dark and serious this one is.

Of the original trilogy, it was always my least favorite because it was just so incredibly simple, didn't have anywhere near as interesting story as ESB or RotJ, had the least amount of action in the entire series (old and new), and because I thought the atmosphere and feel of episode 5 and 6 was better than the atmosphere and feel of episode 4. I put Revenge of the Sith above A New Hope because I thought that RotS was the real stand out film of the new trilogy, much better than Attack of the Clones and infinitely better than that crappy Phantom Menace. It had some really awesome fight scenes and was getting incredibly cool near the end. So, overall, I had to rate it higher than A New Hope.

A New Hope was definitely the most influential film in the series - because it was the very first one and caused a lot ripples when it came out, but I didn't think it was anywhere near as good as Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi.

[Randy]

Originally Posted by Naren

My main disappointment was that I wanted Anakin to be somewhat evil from the very beginning and then just grow more dark, sinister, ruthless, vicious, and heartless as he went on. But it didn't go that way. He was more like an angsty teen gone too far.

Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of the "Oh, little Any!" aspect of Ep. 1, and the "angsty teen" of Ep. 2. He got pretty evil, pretty quick by Ep. 3 though... much better film.