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Unread 04-11-2012, 12:59 PM   #26
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I don't know how you're managing these shipping prices, it cost me more than that to send a guitar to Massachusetts.

Edit: I will add, value of the guitar plays into the shipping cost BIG TIME, so if you're not insuring it and claiming a low value, I can see how it could keep the cost down, though, if something happens, you're ....ed.

I doubt very much Dylan doesn't insure his shipments for what they're worth, and then you're looking at the extra money for customs and taxes and whatnot.
Exactly: it depends on insurance cost, location, and exchange rate. I'd have to pay $400 to get a guitar shipped from the USA or EU to Afghanistan, with proper insurance. I'm waiting until I get back home! Royal Mail is not cheap, and we bite the bullet in the USA.

I know it costs more to get somethings shipped to certain countries. One of the forum members had to sell some of his guitars because of the outrageous import cost to Australia. It can be pretty painful in some places, pun fully intended. Shipping a fully insured $3000'ish guitar for $300 doesn't seem that bad; blame it on the shipping companies, fuel costs, etc.

Worth it to me, absolutely for a Daemoness, but fair to argue.
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Unread 04-11-2012, 01:21 PM   #27
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Unread 04-11-2012, 02:07 PM   #29
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I think you're forgetting how shitty the USD is compared to the GBP right now.
I think that's the main issue here, 2000 ~ 3000 is typical of a custom in the UK, and the USD is doing poorly to the GBP which translates to a high $ price for a basic UK custom.
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I don't know how you're managing these shipping prices, it cost me more than that to send a guitar to Massachusetts.

Edit: I will add, value of the guitar plays into the shipping cost BIG TIME, so if you're not insuring it and claiming a low value, I can see how it could keep the cost down, though, if something happens, you're ....ed.

I doubt very much Dylan doesn't insure his shipments for what they're worth, and then you're looking at the extra money for customs and taxes and whatnot.
EDIT: Disclaimer : Im not trying to be a troll here, I was merely making a COMPLETELY subjective opinion, and a quantitative analysis on shipping rates based on my own stuff.... Dont get personally offended if I don't agree with your subjective opinion. I never said they werent quality instruments, I never said they werent worth the money, I've stated about 4 times in this thread that they are too expensive for what Im looking for.

Im not sure what customs and stuff he has to pay, that may be part of the equation Im not taking into consideration. Last time I checked, Dave Thomas Mcnaught was a pretty reputable luthier lmao. Also, You guys keep twisting this around for whatever reason. I said .... its not worth it... TO ME... Where exactly are you guys getting confused about this?

However, USPS offers fairly inexpensive international shipping. 400$ insurance to australia cost me 7.05$, 1000$ was 9.99$, and 2000$ was 17$

Apparently you guys think I'm making these numbers up... Shipped this 2 days ago. You're high if you think I'd mail across the planet without insurance....

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EDIT: Disclaimer : Im not trying to be a troll here, I was merely making a COMPLETELY subjective opinion, and a quantitative analysis on shipping rates based on my own stuff.... Dont get personally offended if I don't agree with your subjective opinion. I never said they werent quality instruments, I never said they werent worth the money, I've stated about 4 times in this thread that they are too expensive for what Im looking for.

Im not sure what customs and stuff he has to pay, that may be part of the equation Im not taking into consideration. Last time I checked, Dave Thomas Mcnaught was a pretty reputable luthier lmao. Also, You guys keep twisting this around for whatever reason. I said .... its not worth it... TO ME... Where exactly are you guys getting confused about this?

However, USPS offers fairly inexpensive international shipping. 400$ insurance to australia cost me 7.05$, 1000$ was 9.99$, and 2000$ was 17$

Apparently you guys think I'm making these numbers up... Shipped this 2 days ago. You're high if you think I'd mail across the planet without insurance....

It's not worth it to you, we get it, you've said it multiple times in multiple threads about multiple different builders to the point you're coming across as a troll. Knock it off already.

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Have you considered that it might actually cost more to ship something from the UK than from the US???

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It's not worth it to you, we get it, you've said it multiple times in multiple threads about multiple different builders to the point you're coming across as a troll. Knock it off already.

This is the only thread and only time I've discussed daemoness in any fashion. I fail to see how that counts as trolling.

Im not gonna post on this any more, people getting upset over this is just silly.
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This is the only thread and only time I've discussed daemoness in any fashion. I fail to see how that counts as trolling.

Im not gonna post on this any more, people getting upset over this is just silly.
Actually I apologize, I was thinking you were another user that had been complaining about custom guitar prices. After reviewing I see you were not "that guy". I will say however that you have made your point in this thread
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It's all good! Not sure what the cause for all the uproar is, but I think we should just let sleeping dogs lie now

Continue discussion! FWIW, I think daemoness' are GORGEOUS guitars, theres a reason I asked them for a quote... :p
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I wouldn't think Dylan would be too upset about prices being discussed. If he gave someone a price he didn't want shared, I'm sure he'd let that person know. I haven't looked lately, but I thought he had some base prices either posted on his page or on Facebook before.

Since his quote form says right on it not to request a quote unless you're serious about buying, people getting scared away by prices before that point are just freeing up his time to work on guitars for those that are willing to pay.

In the few cases where I saw a Daemoness that I knew the price of, the prices were actually lower than I would have guessed. That skull with the MOP maggots & real fly wings is a good example... I forget what the price was in the FS thread, but having watched the progress on that build, I expected it to be higher. Dylan's an amazing artist and I think the people that are paying for that would be willing to pay more than they currently have to.
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Well, some luthiers actually *like* doing inlays so a guitar without them does not raise their enthusiasm overmuch.
The best way to get a good price from a custom luthier is to make him build a guitar he actually wants to build. You might even get it before all the bland orders.
This might be true of some builders but I don't work like this. I enjoy making all the guitars, and I build the guitars in the order of which I receive the deposits. Anything else would be unfair.
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Oh, and I've never charged anywhere near $300 for shipping. I use a normal courier like anyone else and the receipt is with the guitar. Any builder who angles to make money on the shipping is seriously disrespecting his customers.
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Oh, and I've never charged anywhere near $300 for shipping. I use a normal courier like anyone else and the receipt is with the guitar. Any builder who angles to make money on the shipping is seriously disrespecting his customers.
I probably made a mistake with regards to this, or a conversion error on my part. I'm glad to see vendors taking an active role with their orders though!
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I was quoted 370$ by fedex for shipping a guitar UNINSURED from Norway to Italy. and that was not express, express i think cost another 100$. insane.

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I paid like $100 or something like that to ship a bass from Norway to Germany. Posten FTW!
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I emailed him a while ago and asked what the common price, or a rough estimate of a build would be. He told me 2,200 or 2,300 Euros with custom inlay/graphic. Hope this helps man.
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In the few cases where I saw a Daemoness that I knew the price of, the prices were actually lower than I would have guessed. That skull with the MOP maggots & real fly wings is a good example... I forget what the price was in the FS thread, but having watched the progress on that build, I expected it to be higher. Dylan's an amazing artist and I think the people that are paying for that would be willing to pay more than they currently have to.
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I'm not too sure on what extra costs would be incured when shipping from the UK to the US but when something is Imported into the UK above a certain price you generally have to pay 3.7% import duty as well as 20% VAT which increases the cost considerably.

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I'm not too sure on what extra costs would be incured when shipping from the UK to the US but when something is Imported into the UK above a certain price you generally have to pay 3.7% import duty as well as 20% VAT which increases the cost considerably.
To back this up for US buyers, I bought a guitar from a forum member in Canada and it came to a total of like $1100 USD with the shipping he figured in. When UPS brought it to my door a week later, the driver asked me to write UPS a check for $85 USD and change to cover the customs fees.

Keep in mind that's all for an instrument insured and declared for about a 1/3 the value of a Daemoness, so I'd say you're looking at at almost $300 USD in customs fees unless Dylan gets creative with his declaration, which I sincerely doubt he'd do...

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I think you're forgetting how shitty the USD is compared to the GBP right now.

And I believe Razzy hit the nail on the head regarding shipping. Though, always request a shipping invoice if you think you're being overcharged. It'll have everything itemized.
In the last two years, I received 3 guitars from the USA and shipped one to Australia, one ESP and two ibanez in their HSC with padding around. US->EU was roughly 120USD, EU-australia was 180. 300 does seem a bit much and still is 5-10% of the guitar price, it's not negligible.

The coutnerpoint is, when you get a guitar from Daemoness, blackmachine, Amfisound etc, when they send you the finished pics, the only question you usually ask is "what's the fastest shipping available ?"
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