Make this stop!!

scherzo1928 · 02-20-2011, 10:18 PM

Ok, so I was reading this thread:
Nylon string solid bodies?

Predictably I want to build my own solidbody acoustic. I'm thinking of making it a 7 though.

I have a neckthrough laminate just lying around, and I think I might use that. If not I'll make a 1 piece mahogany body, and a mahogany neck. I'm not sure about the fingerboard though, torn between pau ferro and ebony.

Also, I have looked at a bunch of piezo pickups, but cant find a propper preamp for a build like this. Any sugestions? Controls would just be volume and some sort of EQ (just bass and treble)

And yes, I realize I have everything lying around for my 2nd build. Hence the title.

Rusti · 02-21-2011, 04:27 AM

Hi scherzo

if you're looking for an acoustic sound with a piezo id go with something like graphtech piezo saddles installed directly on the the wood, not on some bridge metal plate. Goin on this way id do an hollow body instead of a solid body :P

Sullen · 02-21-2011, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusti

Hi scherzo

if you're looking for an acoustic sound with a piezo id go with something like graphtech piezo saddles installed directly on the the wood, not on some bridge metal plate. Goin on this way id do an hollow body instead of a solid body :P

+1

scherzo1928 · 02-21-2011, 08:51 AM

Ah, I was looking at some of the "under saddle" pickups, since I plan on using a "classical" bridge

bbp · 02-21-2011, 09:12 AM

In that case, have a look at B-Band pickups: B-Band Ltd - Acoustic Guitar Pickups, Drum Pickups and Double Bass Pickups . They sound a lot better than piezos.

scherzo1928 · 02-24-2011, 02:05 PM

Ugh, the idea of this guitar keeps sidetracking me...

I think I might end up attempting to build this before my "2nd build"

CD1221 · 02-24-2011, 02:26 PM

looks like you will only fit 21 frets on there.....unless you get clever and cut some angle off the nut side and glue it to the other end....

scherzo1928 · 02-24-2011, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CD1221

looks like you will only fit 21 frets on there.....unless you get clever and cut some angle off the nut side and glue it to the other end....

Yep, that's my main concern. I mean, 21 frets is already 2 more than I have on any of my classicals, and 9 more than I can actually reach on any of them (without contortionist mode activated).

I'll order a pau ferro board just in case, but I think I'll stick to this ebony board I got. It's just such a nice piece... such a shame it's a bit short.

For those of you wondering, its a 636mm-666mm scale fan. So about 25"-26.22".
5mm increments per string. 2 of them are at the nut, the other 3 are at the bridge, and that leaves a perpendicular fret at the 6th.

scherzo1928 · 02-24-2011, 10:38 PM

AH, caved in. Just ordered a bunch of stuff for this.

I indeed ended up ordering that pau ferro board as a backup in case I screw up... or to make something else later on shall I succeed. I wont be getting the parts until mid march, which should give me time to finish the other one, and also give me a bit of study time for my exams next week.

Ketzer · 02-25-2011, 12:52 AM

Classicals don't need that many frets, though. 21 is a ton. I can get to 16 on my classical with great difficulty, but I never need to unless I've decided to play steel-string songs on it.

CD1221 · 02-25-2011, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scherzo1928

AH, caved in. Just ordered a bunch of stuff for this.

HAHAHHAHA !

Infectious little problem you have there my friend.

just for clarity, this is a steel string?

Miek · 02-25-2011, 02:37 AM

You could do a split fretboard.

Rusti · 02-25-2011, 03:37 AM

Hi scherzo, did you think about nylon strings vibrates a lot less or with less "power" then strings for electric guitar? on a piezo pickup i guess this would result in a lower output volume.. the only solution i see is in a more classical construction, that lets the wood vibrate more. What do you think about that?

scherzo1928 · 02-25-2011, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CD1221

HAHAHHAHA !

Infectious little problem you have there my friend.

just for clarity, this is a steel string?

Nylon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusti

Hi scherzo, did you think about nylon strings vibrates a lot less or with less "power" then strings for electric guitar? on a piezo pickup i guess this would result in a lower output volume.. the only solution i see is in a more classical construction, that lets the wood vibrate more. What do you think about that?

Indeed. I have been thinking a lot about body thickness, livelier woods, semihollows and the lot. Oh, and high tension strings.

Rook · 02-25-2011, 03:39 PM

Just being a padantic ass, it's not an acoustic if it's solid body, it's just a nylon electric with a piezo pickup instead of magnetic.

A few things:

1 you may have difficulty getting a 7th string (if I read your post correctly)
2 the preamp is the most important part of the electrics, the piezo's a very basic piece of electronics, and the preamp is what you actually hear.
3 piezo's take very little from the wood, which is why an ovation (made out of laminates an plastic and sounds awful acoustically) sounds very similar plugged in to say a fender acoustic. As before, a good preamp will make the wood choice much simpler.
4 have you considered a body sensor pickup in the neck joint? A sensor or single coil pickup would be cool around a chamber.

Rusti · 02-28-2011, 03:28 AM

Scherzo do you remember the abm piezo bridge i bought for my guitar? well its like a 3-4mm of metal plate, sure i will try it but im probably going to make an ebony plate to use instead of the metal one. Im pretty sure that a piezo on a metal plate wont sound very well.. anyway ill let you know.
im just back on my guitar building yesterday

scherzo1928 · 02-28-2011, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusti

Scherzo do you remember the abm piezo bridge i bought for my guitar? well its like a 3-4mm of metal plate, sure i will try it but im probably going to make an ebony plate to use instead of the metal one. Im pretty sure that a piezo on a metal plate wont sound very well.. anyway ill let you know.
im just back on my guitar building yesterday

Sweet, let me know how that turns out.

I'll probably make an "el cheapo" version first on some cheap wood, or even MDF, just to get a better idea of string tension, and overall sound/volume

adrock · 02-28-2011, 11:35 AM

the only way to make it stop, is to build more....

scherzo1928 · 02-28-2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrock

the only way to make it stop, is to build more....

hehe, I know you are tempted to make one as well...

faceforward_007 · 02-28-2011, 12:24 PM

sounds like quite the build, good luck with it! been watching your other posts, very cool

adrock · 02-28-2011, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scherzo1928

hehe, I know you are tempted to make one as well...

hahaha indeed. it is somewhere on my list of guitars to build for myself. the list is getting rather long these days.

technomancer · 02-28-2011, 01:57 PM

Wow not sure how I missed this thread, really looking forward to seeing this progress

scherzo1928 · 04-03-2011, 01:46 AM

OH NO, HERE WE GO AGAIN

My dog doesnt seem to pleased though.

Some specs first.

Seven strings... nylons.
24 frets... I think
Pau ferro fingerboard 636-666 mm fan.
Mahogany body... chambered to all hell.
Flamed maple top... stained blue
F-Holes most likely not F-Shaped
oh, and natural fothermucking binding

I'm still making my mind up about doing neckthrough or set neck. I'm also still not 100% sure on the shape, so I've been making sketches and templates.

This be the pau ferro board I'll be using:

And this is one of the ideas I have for the headstock.

Ok, actually that's the one I used for the 1st build

Somethign I want from the headstock is for the strings not to bend sideways after the nut. I want them to stay straight... I just like the look better.

This is the new one I'm thinking of.

I've started making MDF templates of everything just to get a better idea and "feel" for the dimensions, etc.

The flares at the bottom, are to stop the router bit from eating the entire neck btw.

OOOH, I've also made a couple of very basic sketches of what the body shape could be. Since it will be a semmihollow, I'll be sticking to something traditional...ish... again.

Here is something rather PRSey...

And some doublecut that still need a ton of fiddling with the horns...

which shape do you gusy like better? Or have you got any other shape sugestions?

Oh, and a gratuitous pic of my dog hella bored.

Hope I can update this soon, because my leg felt like crap all day.

Miek · 04-03-2011, 03:17 AM

PRS shape all the way.

Devotion · 04-03-2011, 03:28 AM

Prs shape with stained finish in a bright orange or something similar, damn you got me totally crazy with this one xD I'm sure you'll make it look neat, no matter what shape/colour.

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02-20-2011, 10:18 PM	#1
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Make this stop!! Ok, so I was reading this thread: Nylon string solid bodies? Predictably I want to build my own solidbody acoustic. I'm thinking of making it a 7 though. I have a neckthrough laminate just lying around, and I think I might use that. If not I'll make a 1 piece mahogany body, and a mahogany neck. I'm not sure about the fingerboard though, torn between pau ferro and ebony. Also, I have looked at a bunch of piezo pickups, but cant find a propper preamp for a build like this. Any sugestions? Controls would just be volume and some sort of EQ (just bass and treble) And yes, I realize I have everything lying around for my 2nd build. Hence the title.

02-21-2011, 04:27 AM	#2
Rusti SS.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Forli, Italy Posts: 270 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hi scherzo if you're looking for an acoustic sound with a piezo id go with something like graphtech piezo saddles installed directly on the the wood, not on some bridge metal plate. Goin on this way id do an hollow body instead of a solid body :P https://www.facebook.com/RustiGuitars https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rusti...67349773288475

02-25-2011, 12:52 AM	#10
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02-25-2011, 03:37 AM	#13
Rusti SS.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Forli, Italy Posts: 270 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hi scherzo, did you think about nylon strings vibrates a lot less or with less "power" then strings for electric guitar? on a piezo pickup i guess this would result in a lower output volume.. the only solution i see is in a more classical construction, that lets the wood vibrate more. What do you think about that? https://www.facebook.com/RustiGuitars https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rusti...67349773288475

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02-21-2011, 08:51 AM	#4
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ah, I was looking at some of the "under saddle" pickups, since I plan on using a "classical" bridge

02-21-2011, 09:12 AM	#5
bbp ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 21 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In that case, have a look at B-Band pickups: B-Band Ltd - Acoustic Guitar Pickups, Drum Pickups and Double Bass Pickups . They sound a lot better than piezos.

02-24-2011, 02:05 PM	#6
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ugh, the idea of this guitar keeps sidetracking me... I think I might end up attempting to build this before my "2nd build"

02-24-2011, 02:26 PM	#7
CD1221 SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Au Posts: 531 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looks like you will only fit 21 frets on there.....unless you get clever and cut some angle off the nut side and glue it to the other end....

02-24-2011, 10:38 PM	#9
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	AH, caved in. Just ordered a bunch of stuff for this. I indeed ended up ordering that pau ferro board as a backup in case I screw up... or to make something else later on shall I succeed. I wont be getting the parts until mid march, which should give me time to finish the other one, and also give me a bit of study time for my exams next week.

02-25-2011, 02:37 AM	#12
Miek POSTING ON INTERNET Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Warwick, RI (AND I HAVE OPINIONS) Posts: 1,767 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	You could do a split fretboard.

02-25-2011, 03:39 PM	#15
Rook Electrifying Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 7,300 Thanked: 107 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Just being a padantic ass, it's not an acoustic if it's solid body, it's just a nylon electric with a piezo pickup instead of magnetic. A few things: 1 you may have difficulty getting a 7th string (if I read your post correctly) 2 the preamp is the most important part of the electrics, the piezo's a very basic piece of electronics, and the preamp is what you actually hear. 3 piezo's take very little from the wood, which is why an ovation (made out of laminates an plastic and sounds awful acoustically) sounds very similar plugged in to say a fender acoustic. As before, a good preamp will make the wood choice much simpler. 4 have you considered a body sensor pickup in the neck joint? A sensor or single coil pickup would be cool around a chamber. Formerly known as Fun111, don't be thrown off by the avatar!!!!!! My Soundcloud My project on Facebook: Rook

02-28-2011, 03:28 AM	#16
Rusti SS.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Forli, Italy Posts: 270 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Scherzo do you remember the abm piezo bridge i bought for my guitar? well its like a 3-4mm of metal plate, sure i will try it but im probably going to make an ebony plate to use instead of the metal one. Im pretty sure that a piezo on a metal plate wont sound very well.. anyway ill let you know. im just back on my guitar building yesterday https://www.facebook.com/RustiGuitars https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rusti...67349773288475

02-28-2011, 11:35 AM	#18
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02-28-2011, 12:24 PM	#20
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02-28-2011, 01:57 PM	#22
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04-03-2011, 01:46 AM	#23
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	OH NO, HERE WE GO AGAIN My dog doesnt seem to pleased though. Some specs first. Seven strings... nylons. 24 frets... I think Pau ferro fingerboard 636-666 mm fan. Mahogany body... chambered to all hell. Flamed maple top... stained blue F-Holes most likely not F-Shaped oh, and natural fothermucking binding I'm still making my mind up about doing neckthrough or set neck. I'm also still not 100% sure on the shape, so I've been making sketches and templates. This be the pau ferro board I'll be using: And this is one of the ideas I have for the headstock. Ok, actually that's the one I used for the 1st build Somethign I want from the headstock is for the strings not to bend sideways after the nut. I want them to stay straight... I just like the look better. This is the new one I'm thinking of. I've started making MDF templates of everything just to get a better idea and "feel" for the dimensions, etc. The flares at the bottom, are to stop the router bit from eating the entire neck btw. OOOH, I've also made a couple of very basic sketches of what the body shape could be. Since it will be a semmihollow, I'll be sticking to something traditional...ish... again. Here is something rather PRSey... And some doublecut that still need a ton of fiddling with the horns... which shape do you gusy like better? Or have you got any other shape sugestions? Oh, and a gratuitous pic of my dog hella bored. Hope I can update this soon, because my leg felt like crap all day.

04-03-2011, 03:17 AM	#24
Miek POSTING ON INTERNET Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Warwick, RI (AND I HAVE OPINIONS) Posts: 1,767 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	PRS shape all the way. Bigfan likes this.

04-03-2011, 03:28 AM	#25
Devotion Brojangles Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 216 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Prs shape with stained finish in a bright orange or something similar, damn you got me totally crazy with this one xD I'm sure you'll make it look neat, no matter what shape/colour.

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