[NegaTiveXero]

Originally Posted by budda

sleep.

you didnt fuck up your life, and that attitude will NOT Help you whatsoever.

you can still have your band, play guitar, and have a wife and a daughter and the other things that come with age.

if you really think that for soem reason a wife and kids means no band, then you really do need to think about things. I'm pretty sure a lot of musicians, famous and not, have families.

Amen. I have a wife and a 3 month old baby and it hasn't stopped me from having a near full time job and being in a gigging band. I've just had a positive attitude and have worked hard and it's all going great.

[Jongpil Yun]

Man there is so much woo and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc in this thread I can't fucking believe it.

Originally Posted by unconventional

Went to the guesser and I'm having to fucking go on Zoloft again which I hate. So, say goodbye to a functional penis. Not that I care about my unit, if I'm depressed and anxious all the time, but I hate having to go on this crap.

Well, I've been on Zoloft for the past few years, and my only side effect from it as far as I can tell is anorgasmia -- that is, takes (sometimes much) longer to reach an orgasm. Which I see as a good thing. Or would, rather, if I were getting any. That's me, of course, but guess what. There are a lot of anti-depressants out there. There are a lot of SSRIs out there. There's a reason for that. Different people have different reactions. Bring it up with your doctor, try different medications if you don't like the side-effects.

Doctors. Man, all they ever want to do is prescribe pills.

I saw them almost prescribe my dad to death, and then my mom took over his care. She watched his diet, got him to exercise, and man, for as bad as my dad was, she changed his life.

Yeah, well let's think of a few things here. First, your dad's doctor almost certainly told him to exercise and have a healthy diet. But guess what. He's not your personal fitness trainer. He's not with you all the fucking time. He's not your mom. Is your doctor supposed to be sitting over your shoulder watching your diet and saying get off your ass and go run?

Doctors have practically no control over what the patient does. They can prescribe a once daily pill and still have patient regimen adherence rates in the mid 50%s.

Two, they prescribe medications because they get an idea for what might work to cure or at least improve the symptoms of some disease, refine it, do a shitload of tests to make sure it is safe and effective and at what dose. Welcome to fucking evidence based medicine.

That's why I hate them. I knew I would leave with nothing yesterday, other than a fucking pill. Took some blood tests to check for B12 and some other crap.

She's convinced it's a chemical imbalance. Imagine. Just by looking at you in the eye, they can make that diagnosis. Guessers, not doctors.

What do you want to leave with? A fucking suppository to stick up your ass? Pills are probably the most all around effective and versatile method of delivery for a huge majority of chemicals, especially those that are intended to treat low-grade, chronic illnesses, because, guess what, it goes to your gut, is digested at a known rate, a known amount goes to your bloodstream, and from your bloodstream, to wherever the hell it needs to go, whether it be your liver, pancreas, brain, or whatever.

Your doctor thinks it's a chemical imbalance? Well what else would it be? A chi imbalance? Wanna go get some acupuncture? Ever heard of the endocrine system? Guess what, most of the communication done in your body not done by nerves is via chemicals. Producing too much stomach acid? Probably because there's too much activation hormone going to the HCl secreting glands in your gut or something. Think about this shit.

Originally Posted by TDW, paraphrased[/b

Doctors = Pharmaceutical Co. Pushers

NO FREE LUNCH

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She emphasizes that each person has different biochemistry, and that what works for one will not work for another. Although health professionals can order lab tests (and she explains these tests fully), healing usually involves modifying individual eating habits. Accordingly, Lipski devotes one section to self-care strategies, with the intent of exposing readers to "more plans, new ideas, and the tools to be your own health expert."

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Dude, Lipski is a fucking fraud. She got her diploma from a third rate diploma mill, founded by a god damned Chiropractor and Naturopath.

Stay Away from Donsbach University Graduates

I hear you. I read a lot of spiritual health type of stuff and the people the create miracles and overcome cancer without any drugs are the people that did not waiver in their resolve to make up their fucking mind. Ultimately it came down to a decision. Cancer victim, or healty person.

Let's do a large sample size, double blinded, placebo controlled, multi-center test on your hypothesis. Oh wait. We have. Countless times. Chemo works better than "spiritual health". And trust me, oncologists are probably the most soft-hearted motherfuckers out there other than pediatricians. They would JUMP on a treatment that didn't have the kind of side-effects chemo therapy does. But guess what. They're bound by a desire to save people's lives and ensure they have the best quality of life possible.

Besides that, every time you chock up a "miraculous" recovery to some "spiritual health" bullshit without rigorous investigation, you're doing thousands, if not millions of people a disservice by not finding out what really caused that spontaneous remission.

[wes225]

dont give up bro. i was kinda depressed the other day n got over it quickly, if i can go from suicidal to happy in like 2 days you can too.

[Zepp88]

Bob that's really interesting, depression and anxiety linked to digestion issues?

I've got a few social issues that bug me, I've learned how to deal with it, but it's interesting you say that because I get heartburn like a bitch fairly often.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Jongpil Yun

Yeah, well let's think of a few things here. First, your dad's doctor almost certainly told him to exercise and have a healthy diet. But guess what. He's not your personal fitness trainer. He's not with you all the fucking time. He's not your mom. Is your doctor supposed to be sitting over your shoulder watching your diet and saying get off your ass and go run?

Hey asshole. My dad is fucking dead from cancer now.

And no, no doctor stressed to my dad the importance of exercise and diet. They prescribed one pill after another. Again, and again. Pill, pill, pill. Like I said, my mom did her OWN research. Every time he was hospitalized, it was, "Hey, take these pills." The steroids he was prescribed caused him to develop diabetes, and all they did was prescribe more pills.

Fuck you, dude. You're lucky I don't ban your ass for those condescending, prickish, judgmental comments. When my mom followed the doctors' strict advice, my dad could barely walk from the street to his car. But she took him OFF many of his meds, designed a diet that worked HERSELF, and took the initiative to plan my dad's exercise regimen. The doc's advice? Physical therapy and fucking pills.

[JBroll]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Dude, I used to have fucking DEBILITATING anxiety and panic attacks. Heart issues? Check. Fear of losing my mind? Check. OCD? Check. (I was still a sexy beast, though. ) And I beat that shit with NO DRUGS. No weed, no alcohol, nothing. Just strength of will, determination, and knowledge.

Same thing here, all I had to do was just not let myself make a big deal of them and I was fine. Zoloft, for the few weeks I took it, just about ruined everything and turned me into a bloody zombie.

And JP, while I won't get into the rest of this discussion I'll say that you'll be pretty pissed at Zoloft when you do run across the right lady and can't answer the call to arms - and that'll probably do a thousand times more than the best of pills if you have, in fact, run across (or perhaps into...) the right lady. Yes, they do have well-tested and regulated pills, but keep in mind that you can cause the worst of side effects and have them hidden far away on the label, and you could still wind up with a prescription. Zoloft made my panic attacks worse, and if I had read up on it more carefully I might have expected it a bit better, but honestly as bad as it is that's a pretty tame one - as I'm sure you already know.

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Fuck warning labels. If you need treatment for depression, and it isn't getting laid, there's one strike. If your treatment actually takes the place of getting laid, two. If it makes getting laid impossible, there's something seriously wrong.

Jeff

[Zepp88]

Concerning pills, I stay away from them. I don't even take asprin...

[unconventional]

LOL @ JBroll, with the side affects.

Yeah, I'm full aware of zoloft. Been on it before, but I got mans other best friend. VIAGRA. I get it for a buck a pill over in India. Fuck Phizer and their $12 a God Damned pill.

Wolf, sorry to hear about your dad.

As for the chmeotherapy advocate, yeah it has it's place I suppose, but to me it's ridiculous. Chemicals designed to kill cancer, do that opposite of what the body is supposed to do. Fight off disease with the immune system. Chemeo renders the immune system useless.

The people who have overcome cancer without drugs have a will and resolve that most of us can't even begin to comprehend. That's why it's not common place.

Your told you have cancer. Can you convince yourself your well? Or be a yo yo between the belief of the doctor and your own personal belief your well. That's how miracles occur. Making up your mind. Wolf is on the right track. I haven't reached deep enough and gotten pissed off enough to say you know what. I've fucking had it. I waver. I do not have a firm resolve. I'm not focused consistently on being well, but instead freaking out about the next panic attack. It's a vicious cycle the way this works.

It takes an inner strength most will never understand to overcome this type of thing. But when you've reached a point where you've had it, that's when something clicks.

I speak to a woman regularly on antoher forum. She had hodgkins lymphoma. She died for 45 minutes and had a near death experience. She said that during the NDE, she realized that the cancer was an illusion and was not real. It was only her belief in it as real that was causing her to be ill. I know this sounds nuts, but this woman is actually pretty well known. When she came back she was cancer free. Not 1 single cell.

Granted the NDE was the catalyst for her realization that nothing on this planet is real, other than what we take to be real. Pretty amazing story to say the least. This woman is a true inspiration. It's hard for us here in the physical to grasp that none of this is real. I know I can't. Try to convince yourself that cancer is not real when your sick and you've got everyone around you reaffirming the exact opposite of what you want to happen, which is health.

I complain too much. I admit it. I don't want to have the woe is me attitude. If I want a band, I can have it. No excuses and you guys are right, family or not, I can have whatever the fuck I want if I put my mind to work.

Hey day 2 and look at me ha? 2nd day on prozac and the placebo effect is alive and well and I'm running on 4 hours of sleep after putting pickups in a new flying v that I got and bondoing and painting the top back wing that UPS was so kind to take a chunk out of.

[hairychris]

Prozac posse here.... Is zoloft the same thing (fluoxetine)? Spent a couple of years on escitalopram and that shit was evil. Shut down the 'creative' parts of my brain and it was like living in syrup with some entertaining side effects, especially after drinking. Ahem.

Exercise was one thing that was recommended to me. Quitting alcohol is another. I've been dry for a year which I've been told has made a difference, and working on the exercise!

The thing with depression is that you look at other people (cancer sufferers you've mentioned - I lost a close family memeber to that last year) and go 'whatever's going on in my head's screwed but it won't kill me'.

Good luck sir.

[unconventional]

I think prozac is in the same family as zoloft. The one drug I hated was Xanax. People line up for them when I was on them. I hated them. Yeah, they're great for anxiety because your fucking exhausted 24/7 on them.

Oh well, I heard one scientist, don't know how credible he is (Bruce Lipton) who says that only a small tiny portion of any drug actually gets in our body and it's mostly placebo effect. Don't know how true that is.