[Naren]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I dunno. If god were the one to create us, then i'm sure he'd be able to understand us.

Well, that's obvious.

But his post was more specifically about "demons," which wouldn't have the powers of God. But, since God created them as eternal beings, it'd be useful to be able to understand languages, since they change so frequently.

I've always thought the demons speaking in latin thing was just hilarious. So... this demon's been around for what? A million years and, although Latin didn't really come around until around 800 BC, this demon has somehow taken it upon himself to speak in - not the language of the people he's talking to and not the languages of the Bible (Hebrew and Greek) - but in Latin, despite Latin now being a dead language. Do these demons find latin charming and cool? It can't be because it's scary. A "demon language" should be a lot scarier.

Theoretically, with the idea of demons, it'd have to be an all-or-nothing thing. Able to speak all existing languages or unable to speak any at all.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I dunno. If god were the one to create us, then i'm sure he'd be able to understand us.

The bit about language is just an example of a human-centered perspective, Ken. it wasn't an attempt to say God couldn't understand say... English.

The idea that God, whatever/whomever it/he/she it is, has identical values as we (currently) do, or is even comprehensible in normal human thinking. That sorta shit.

[JBroll]

Originally Posted by Naren

Point 2: Actually there is "proof" of Jesus having lived (Roman records. I believe the Jewish records were destroyed when Jerusalem was burned around 100AD or so. Been a while since I studied about it). However, a man named Jesus having lived around 10 BC-40 AD does not mean he was God's son. Besides, why would it matter to YOU whether he lived or not? If you could be convinced he lived, does that make you believe he was God and convert you to Christianity?

I hope you're not referring to Josephus' texts...

Jeff

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

The bit about language is just an example of a human-centered perspective, Ken. it wasn't an attempt to say God couldn't understand say... English.

The idea that God, whatever/whomever it/he/she it is, has identical values as we (currently) do, or is even comprehensible in normal human thinking. That sorta shit.

Yeah, i know. I'm really good at taking things at face value

I just think it'd be a bit lopsided, if god had entirely different values than us and tried to hold us to them if we were created entirely different.
Then again, i also think Epicurus' point could be explained away with polytheism.

Originally Posted by Naren

I've always thought the demons speaking in latin thing was just hilarious. So... this demon's been around for what? A million years and, although Latin didn't really come around until around 800 BC, this demon has somehow taken it upon himself to speak in - not the language of the people he's talking to and not the languages of the Bible (Hebrew and Greek) - but in Latin, despite Latin now being a dead language. Do these demons find latin charming and cool? It can't be because it's scary. A "demon language" should be a lot scarier.

I think its pretty charming and cool, myself. Plus, all those iced earth songs where they have jon schaffer's lines of latin speak all reversed sounds evil as hell

[The Dark Wolf]

Maybe he's like Einstein's God, though. Doesn't get involved.

Anaology - (sorta funny). Consider the Prime Directive. I think that's actually a good thing, since it puts the moral imperative squarely on our shoulders.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Maybe he's like Einstein's God, though. Doesn't get involved

Well, then if thats the case, whats the point of trying getting invovled with god?

(i'm totally NOT trying to be an ass by the way )

[Naren]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Well, then if thats the case, whats the point of trying getting invovled with god?

(i'm totally NOT trying to be an ass by the way )

Exactly. If he doesn't want to get involved in me, why get involved in him?

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I think its pretty charming and cool, myself. Plus, all those iced earth songs where they have jon schaffer's lines of latin speak all reversed sounds evil as hell

Sure, it's cool in movies and novels, but for something to actually seriously believe, it's pretty ridiculous. Not logical in any sense of the word.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Well, then if thats the case, whats the point of trying getting invovled with god?

(i'm totally NOT trying to be an ass by the way )

I actually don't think exactly like Einstein, personally, but I'm just throwing it out there as food for thought.

But to further that thought, Einstein believed discovering the laws that govern nature was akin to religion, or "discovering" God. So, perhaps just living is "getting involved" with God, and one's belief or lack thereof actually has minimal bearing on the whole shebang. What matters then is living a caring and fulfilling life.

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by Naren

Sure, it's cool in movies and novels, but for something to actually seriously believe, it's pretty ridiculous. Not logical in any sense of the word.

IF i were a demon, i would totally speak in backwards latin.

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

What matters then is living a caring and fulfilling life.

I think this is the key thing here.

[Naren]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

IF i were a demon, i would totally speak in backwards latin.

If I were a demon, I would want to do something original. The backwards latin thing's been done to death. Not too hard that people can't figure it out but not so easy that people get it immediately.

Ancient Sumerian? Too hard? Okay...