Why does my Axe sound like shit out of the PA?

ManuelB · 09-09-2011, 08:28 AM

Hey guys,

I just started to use my Axe Fx Ultra (better to say I tried to) over my PA.
Unbalanced Out -> Input of my Mixer, then through the power amp and out of my HK PR:O cabs (12" and tweeter)
result: it sounds like the biggest crap I've ever heard!!!

What the hell is wrong?! I can't find a solution for this problem... Just saw Tosin live in Germamy these days, using his Ultra with a monitor cab and over a small PA system... and it sounded great!!! Why doesn't it do the same here?! Is there something I should have to know?

P.S.: I used to use it with a digital power amp and a 2x12" Orange and it sounded totally great!

petereanima · 09-09-2011, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManuelB

P.S.: I used to use it with a digital power amp and a 2x12" Orange and it sounded totally great!

I guess you have turned the poweramp+cab+mic - sims off back then...have you NOW turned them on?

EtherealEntity · 09-09-2011, 08:56 AM

Yep you'll be needing those. Why not use the balanced out?

Sepultorture · 09-09-2011, 10:14 AM

What they said.

the 2x12 and power amp will add colour so it will sound good with those with power ampm cab and mic sims off, but now you are going to have to turn those all back on and start finding a cab and mic soution plus tweak it so it works well with the PA setup

EtherealEntity · 09-09-2011, 10:21 AM

Yep simple explanation:

Before you had: Axe fx acting as amp>poweramp>cab>(mic>pa) if at a venue.
Now you have: Axe fx>pa. So you need to add the cab and mic stage because guitar cabinet speakers roll off a ton of high end, so your tone right now will sound very fizzy I expect.

ManuelB · 09-10-2011, 05:15 AM

Fizzy is the right word. I'm going to take a look at the mic and amp stage today. Maybe it's the solution for everything. But I guess that I've turned both of them on... Strange... We will see if it works. Thank you guys. I'll let you know if it worked out

ManuelB · 09-11-2011, 08:52 AM

Ok here we go:

Amp and cab sims were turned on... BUT the main settings were completely changed and it seems that the cabs were turned off for all patches (although I could see and change them) Whyever

So I resetted the main settings to factory mode and tadadataaaa: Sounds exactly like what I wanted!

Thanks for all!

petereanima · 09-12-2011, 02:09 AM

Glad its working!

dallasxr6 · 09-18-2011, 07:26 AM

ahh the joys of digital.....
One setting wrong and they usually end up WAAAY off!

I always try remember to go thru all the settings when playing With them

drmosh · 09-18-2011, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dallasxr6

ahh the joys of digital.....
One setting wrong and they usually end up WAAAY off!

I always try remember to go thru all the settings when playing With them

Same for any kind of gear really, not just digital

Phrygian · 09-21-2011, 06:11 PM

i thought id ask here since i got a similar problem.

lately ive gotten a problem.
i got a hd1221 for my axe fx ultra now, and any high-gain patches sound like fizzy, extremely boomy thin crap. like, pod xt-crap. all my clean patches sound awesome, but whatever i do i cant get a huge tight, not to gainy high-gain tone! no clarity, just shitloads of gain and bass even when the bass is backed up to zero, and when i roll back the gain it just doesn act like i would expect. chords are NOt clear at all, theyget really muddy even at no gain.

I reset all parameters, set up a drive-amp-cab-highpass filter patch.

so the patch is pretty much this:
ts808 mod, no drive, lvl cranked.
das metal, low gain, 09:00, bass at 10:00, mids at 14-15:00 treble at 11:00 with bright on. the rest is standard.

Cab is the 4X12 metal cab.

it sounds horrible! what am i doing wrong? i will try to get a clip of it at our next practice, but i am getting really bummed out by this. ANY help is really appreciated!

VILARIKA · 09-21-2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrygian

i thought id ask here since i got a similar problem.

lately ive gotten a problem.
i got a hd1221 for my axe fx ultra now, and any high-gain patches sound like fizzy, extremely boomy thin crap. like, pod xt-crap. all my clean patches sound awesome, but whatever i do i cant get a huge tight, not to gainy high-gain tone! no clarity, just shitloads of gain and bass even when the bass is backed up to zero, and when i roll back the gain it just doesn act like i would expect. chords are NOt clear at all, theyget really muddy even at no gain.

I reset all parameters, set up a drive-amp-cab-highpass filter patch.

so the patch is pretty much this:
ts808 mod, no drive, lvl cranked.
das metal, low gain, 09:00, bass at 10:00, mids at 14-15:00 treble at 11:00 with bright on. the rest is standard.

Cab is the 4X12 metal cab.

it sounds horrible! what am i doing wrong? i will try to get a clip of it at our next practice, but i am getting really bummed out by this. ANY help is really appreciated!

I'm also having this issue somewhat...using 1521

Larrikin666 · 09-22-2011, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrygian

i thought id ask here since i got a similar problem.

lately ive gotten a problem.
i got a hd1221 for my axe fx ultra now, and any high-gain patches sound like fizzy, extremely boomy thin crap. like, pod xt-crap. all my clean patches sound awesome, but whatever i do i cant get a huge tight, not to gainy high-gain tone! no clarity, just shitloads of gain and bass even when the bass is backed up to zero, and when i roll back the gain it just doesn act like i would expect. chords are NOt clear at all, theyget really muddy even at no gain.

I reset all parameters, set up a drive-amp-cab-highpass filter patch.

so the patch is pretty much this:
ts808 mod, no drive, lvl cranked.
das metal, low gain, 09:00, bass at 10:00, mids at 14-15:00 treble at 11:00 with bright on. the rest is standard.

Cab is the 4X12 metal cab.

it sounds horrible! what am i doing wrong? i will try to get a clip of it at our next practice, but i am getting really bummed out by this. ANY help is really appreciated!

Quote:

Originally Posted by VILARIKA

I'm also having this issue somewhat...using 1521

I always felt the need to use high and lowpass filters on my Ultra for high gain patches. Especially with full range monitors.

Phrygian · 09-22-2011, 03:53 PM

Thanks, how do you set up those filters? i tried a highpass filter from 60hz-up to 125hz but the extreme low end did not budge. and if i put a lowpass at around 7000hz my tone drowns immediately. it just seems like there is no lowmid - mids in my tone. ill see if i can extract my patch and post it here so anyone can have a look to see what im doing wrong :P

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09-09-2011, 08:28 AM	#1
ManuelB Guitar maniac Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bottrop, Ruhr Area Posts: 113 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Why does my Axe sound like shit out of the PA? Hey guys, I just started to use my Axe Fx Ultra (better to say I tried to) over my PA. Unbalanced Out -> Input of my Mixer, then through the power amp and out of my HK PR:O cabs (12" and tweeter) result: it sounds like the biggest crap I've ever heard!!! What the hell is wrong?! I can't find a solution for this problem... Just saw Tosin live in Germamy these days, using his Ultra with a monitor cab and over a small PA system... and it sounded great!!! Why doesn't it do the same here?! Is there something I should have to know? P.S.: I used to use it with a digital power amp and a 2x12" Orange and it sounded totally great! My sound at www.soundcloud.com/manuelbartz

09-09-2011, 08:56 AM	#3
EtherealEntity T=UWx(2xLxF)^2/386.4 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southend-on-Sea, Essex, U.K Posts: 8,284 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yep you'll be needing those. Why not use the balanced out? BigPhi84 likes this.

09-09-2011, 10:14 AM	#4
Sepultorture Murder Machine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oshawa, ON, Canada Posts: 4,531 Thanked: 36 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	What they said. the 2x12 and power amp will add colour so it will sound good with those with power ampm cab and mic sims off, but now you are going to have to turn those all back on and start finding a cab and mic soution plus tweak it so it works well with the PA setup BEARDS: They Instantly Turn Any Man Into A Badass, It's Like Having Machine Guns On Your Face

09-10-2011, 05:15 AM	#6
ManuelB Guitar maniac Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bottrop, Ruhr Area Posts: 113 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Fizzy is the right word. I'm going to take a look at the mic and amp stage today. Maybe it's the solution for everything. But I guess that I've turned both of them on... Strange... We will see if it works. Thank you guys. I'll let you know if it worked out My sound at www.soundcloud.com/manuelbartz

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09-09-2011, 10:21 AM	#5
EtherealEntity T=UWx(2xLxF)^2/386.4 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southend-on-Sea, Essex, U.K Posts: 8,284 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yep simple explanation: Before you had: Axe fx acting as amp>poweramp>cab>(mic>pa) if at a venue. Now you have: Axe fx>pa. So you need to add the cab and mic stage because guitar cabinet speakers roll off a ton of high end, so your tone right now will sound very fizzy I expect.

09-11-2011, 08:52 AM	#7
ManuelB Guitar maniac Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bottrop, Ruhr Area Posts: 113 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok here we go: Amp and cab sims were turned on... BUT the main settings were completely changed and it seems that the cabs were turned off for all patches (although I could see and change them) Whyever So I resetted the main settings to factory mode and tadadataaaa: Sounds exactly like what I wanted! Thanks for all! My sound at www.soundcloud.com/manuelbartz

09-12-2011, 02:09 AM	#8
petereanima Br00tal Bubbly Mofo Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 5,415 Thanked: 103 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Glad its working! Djentsters will hate this! my band on: facebook reverbnation myspace

09-18-2011, 07:26 AM	#9
dallasxr6 ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cranbourne, Victoria, AUS Posts: 42 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ahh the joys of digital..... One setting wrong and they usually end up WAAAY off! I always try remember to go thru all the settings when playing With them

09-21-2011, 06:11 PM	#11
Phrygian Lefty Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 538 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	i thought id ask here since i got a similar problem. lately ive gotten a problem. i got a hd1221 for my axe fx ultra now, and any high-gain patches sound like fizzy, extremely boomy thin crap. like, pod xt-crap. all my clean patches sound awesome, but whatever i do i cant get a huge tight, not to gainy high-gain tone! no clarity, just shitloads of gain and bass even when the bass is backed up to zero, and when i roll back the gain it just doesn act like i would expect. chords are NOt clear at all, theyget really muddy even at no gain. I reset all parameters, set up a drive-amp-cab-highpass filter patch. so the patch is pretty much this: ts808 mod, no drive, lvl cranked. das metal, low gain, 09:00, bass at 10:00, mids at 14-15:00 treble at 11:00 with bright on. the rest is standard. Cab is the 4X12 metal cab. it sounds horrible! what am i doing wrong? i will try to get a clip of it at our next practice, but i am getting really bummed out by this. ANY help is really appreciated! My Delirium Gear: FOR SALE - Ibanez RG870QZML BI FOR SALE - Carvin DC727L Carvin DC800 Decibel AMX 7 - incoming Line 6 Relay G90 MFC-101 Axe FX II Matrix gt1000fx 2 x Zilla super fatboy 2x12

09-22-2011, 03:53 PM	#14
Phrygian Lefty Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 538 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Thanks, how do you set up those filters? i tried a highpass filter from 60hz-up to 125hz but the extreme low end did not budge. and if i put a lowpass at around 7000hz my tone drowns immediately. it just seems like there is no lowmid - mids in my tone. ill see if i can extract my patch and post it here so anyone can have a look to see what im doing wrong :P My Delirium Gear: FOR SALE - Ibanez RG870QZML BI FOR SALE - Carvin DC727L Carvin DC800 Decibel AMX 7 - incoming Line 6 Relay G90 MFC-101 Axe FX II Matrix gt1000fx 2 x Zilla super fatboy 2x12

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