Condensors for live use?

Jason · 12-08-2006, 06:31 PM

I got 2 pair of condensors that I wanna use for overheads for drums. Now I know I maybe/probably get a ton of bleed. I'm hoping if i keep the drum monitors down it will be ok. Now the question is which will be better Large diaphram or small diaphram?

I was thinking of using the smaller ones but now I'm not so sure.

http://mxlmics.com/condenser_mic/condenser_index.html

http://mxlmics.com/tech_advice/tech_advice_index.html

Christopher · 12-08-2006, 08:40 PM

For live, I'd go with the small diaphrams. I like using the big one's in the studio for overheads but live you're going to want the litte ones.

I have a pair of Carvin small diaphrams I use on our drum kit live. I didn't want to spend a whole lot and have them beat to hell. They work pretty damn well. I've used them in a pinch in the studio too. Sucks being on tiny budget.

Oh and don't worry about a little bleed. I actually count on it. In smallish to medium clubs I usually only throw a kick, snare, and pair of overheads on a kit anyway. The overheads are great at grabbing cymbals and toms, live.

eleven59 · 12-08-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .jason.

...keep the drum monitors down it will be ok.

Good luck with that

I mean...y'know...finding a drummer with a decent level of hearing left

The Dark Wolf · 12-08-2006, 10:20 PM

Small diaphragms. I've used my Nady SD condensers on live drums lots of times. Bleed shmeed. You just have to watch levels, since those fuckers will pick up everything. Generally, most clubs don't even need the cymbals mic'd, as you probably know. But I like 'em mic'd, so, I'd say use 'em.

Jason · 12-09-2006, 01:10 AM

Well I went with the large diaphram's IT appears they have a tighter pattern. I'll let you guys know tomorrow how they came out.

Popsyche · 12-09-2006, 01:18 AM

Remember to cut the livin' shit out of the lows. No need in a cymbal mic! High pass filter is best!

Jason · 12-09-2006, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popsyche

Remember to cut the livin' shit out of the lows. No need in a cymbal mic! High pass filter is best!

Actaully. Things changed the sound guy was a douche. Refused to give me any feeds of the board so I just wound up using the 2 condensors as room mics. So the recording should be pretty craptacular.

The Dark Wolf · 12-09-2006, 01:27 AM

Why wouldn't he give you any board feeds?

Jason · 12-09-2006, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Why wouldn't he give you any board feeds?

He refused to unplug anything from the back of the board.

the dude was a frazzled spaz

I was just LOOKING at the board and he was getting upset.

Popsyche · 12-09-2006, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by .jason.

Actaully. Things changed the sound guy was a douche. Refused to give me any feeds of the board so I just wound up using the 2 condensors as room mics. So the recording should be pretty craptacular.

I fucking hate those asswipes! Jeeze, just do your job, and set up the mics. Lame soundguys really piss me off!

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Christopher Total Rondo Addict! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: La Grande, Oregon Posts: 1,463 Real Name: Christopher Main Seven: Agile Interceptor Pro 25 Rig: Fractal Axe Fx Thanked: 9	For live, I'd go with the small diaphrams. I like using the big one's in the studio for overheads but live you're going to want the litte ones. I have a pair of Carvin small diaphrams I use on our drum kit live. I didn't want to spend a whole lot and have them beat to hell. They work pretty damn well. I've used them in a pinch in the studio too. Sucks being on tiny budget. Oh and don't worry about a little bleed. I actually count on it. In smallish to medium clubs I usually only throw a kick, snare, and pair of overheads on a kit anyway. The overheads are great at grabbing cymbals and toms, live. Last edited by Christopher; 12-08-2006 at 08:43 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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Jason Sign Your Neg Rep Posts! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South of the rats mouth.. Posts: 9,379 Real Name: Jason Main Seven: Esp/Ltd H207 :D Rig: Nadda Supreme Thanked: 79	Well I went with the large diaphram's IT appears they have a tighter pattern. I'll let you guys know tomorrow how they came out.

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