Is this a good idea?

nyck · 10-14-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nik

So is there any difference between buying a big Vetta amp, or buying a nice, powerful PA and using that to amplify your Pod?

I've never tried a vetta so I can't really comment. Donnie's had both a pod and vetta so he can chime in hopefully.

The pod still feels like a solid state amp. No real touch feeling behind it. It's very very slight if there is any.

Popsyche · 10-14-2006, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nik

Yeah, but doesn't the PodXT also apply some touch to it's modelling? I would assume that if the Spider does it, so would the much superior PodXT.

Thanks for your help guys!

I'll bet that the POD also has some cabinet modeling in there somewhere. That might be worth experimenting with through the PA cabinets you have in mind.

nyck · 10-14-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popsyche

I'll bet that the POD also has some cabinet modeling in there somewhere. That might be worth experimenting with through the PA cabinets you have in mind.

The podxt does have cabinet models in there. It's got just about every type of cab.

distressed_romeo · 10-14-2006, 11:26 PM

I once saw someone using the setup you described, and while you could probably get by with it, I wouldn't recommend it. It makes the tone sound more digitised and less like a real amp. Given that some people think PODs sound too artificial on their own, it's not an ideal combination.

Nik · 10-15-2006, 12:25 AM

Alright, thanks a lot fellas! I guess I'll be looking into Atomic Amps. Is it possible to amplify both vocals and guitars (PodXT) with a single amp?

urklvt · 10-15-2006, 07:30 PM

I'm most likely buying a PA to run my POD man, and I have the Atomic Reactor 112. The POD will sound "digitized" if it is not set correctly through no matter what amp you use, even the Atomic. Plugging a POD into a PA does not negate the true tube feel; the true tube feel is not in the POD, or any Line 6 product, in the first place. What you have is a model of tube tone that tries its best to give you the SOUND of a mic'ed tube amp. The only way to get tube feel is with a tube amp. There's also no rule that says you can't run PA cabs with a tube power amp...!

I'm going to be playing a 10 string "guitar" tuned down to E1 so I need something that will push out the low end without sacrificing the highs. The Atomic can handle the frequencies, but not the levels I require.

Nik · 10-15-2006, 10:36 PM

^Cool man, thanks for the info

Just curious, though, since Atomic Amps are tube powered, doesn't that give you some tube characteristics? I mean, there's no point in going with tubes otherwise...

In any case, I'd love to go to the store and crank things up, but there's no guarantee that they'd let me...

urklvt · 10-16-2006, 04:28 AM

Well, they do advertise the amp as "colorless". Sure, there's a hint of added warmth and responsiveness, but that's all, just a hint. True tube feel comes from the combination of a tube preamp and a tube power amp. The reason why tube amps like Mesa and the like sound and feel so good is because there is a gain stage in the power section, not just the preamp. It's literally power amp overdrive. That's why you have to crank them to find their sweet spot.

Then you have to use an attenuator to play the thing with the same tone at bedroom levels. I am a tube purist, but the power section of the Atomic operates more like a classic hi-fi amp. Yes, it is a tube power amp, but it offers nothing more than clean power which you could get from any other type of amp.

Also, I think it was completely asinine of them to design a 212 50 watt version and make it MONO! How fucking stupid is that??? All of the modelers are stereo. How much effort would it have taken to put 2 of the 18 watt power sections in that 212 and call it a day? DAMN! They lost my business for good with that stupid move, so if you really want an Atomic, mine will be available very soon.

Nik · 10-16-2006, 01:26 PM

Hmm, well it's something I'll look into.

In any case, the next I buy will probably be a 100W half-stack, so unless Atomic Amps release a 100W cab designed for Pods, I probably won't buy from them. Oh, and it better be stereo lol.

InTheRavensName · 10-16-2006, 01:42 PM

...Sabaton use a PODxt and a Vox Tonelab SE into the PA, and they sounded great!

...and Meshuggah go straight to the PA too

10-14-2006, 11:26 PM	#14
distressed_romeo Bringin' UR Kaos! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albion Posts: 9,567 Real Name: I have many... Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser Main ERG: Aria bass tuned in fifths Rig: POD v2.0 Thanked: 200	I once saw someone using the setup you described, and while you could probably get by with it, I wouldn't recommend it. It makes the tone sound more digitised and less like a real amp. Given that some people think PODs sound too artificial on their own, it's not an ideal combination. Nothing like a good depressant to chase the blues away! www.soundclick.com/distressed_romeo http://farsideguitars.blogspot.com/

10-15-2006, 12:25 AM	#15
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,039 Real Name: Nik Main Seven: 2005 Ibanez RG1527 w/Dima Rig: PodXTLive Thanked: 3	Alright, thanks a lot fellas! I guess I'll be looking into Atomic Amps. Is it possible to amplify both vocals and guitars (PodXT) with a single amp? ---------------------- Visit my band, 'Emulsifier.' Unless you suck. You don't suck... do you? http://www.myspace.com/demx

10-15-2006, 07:30 PM	#16
urklvt This is my alt Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leesville, LA Posts: 2,420 Real Name: urk Main Seven: 28.625" S7420 Main ERG: Agile Intrepid 8 Rig: Mesa Mark IV Thanked: 4 / 1	I'm most likely buying a PA to run my POD man, and I have the Atomic Reactor 112. The POD will sound "digitized" if it is not set correctly through no matter what amp you use, even the Atomic. Plugging a POD into a PA does not negate the true tube feel; the true tube feel is not in the POD, or any Line 6 product, in the first place. What you have is a model of tube tone that tries its best to give you the SOUND of a mic'ed tube amp. The only way to get tube feel is with a tube amp. There's also no rule that says you can't run PA cabs with a tube power amp...! I'm going to be playing a 10 string "guitar" tuned down to E1 so I need something that will push out the low end without sacrificing the highs. The Atomic can handle the frequencies, but not the levels I require. "Dude, you need to find the right fucking meds to be on, because you are the most unstable person I know."

10-16-2006, 01:42 PM	#20
InTheRavensName Metal Machine =) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Derby, UK Posts: 2,755 Real Name: Ross The Great Main Seven: 666 strings only Rig: POD XTLive Thanked: 7	...Sabaton use a PODxt and a Vox Tonelab SE into the PA, and they sounded great! ...and Meshuggah go straight to the PA too Sabaton Last edited by InTheRavensName; 10-16-2006 at 01:42 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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10-15-2006, 10:36 PM	#17
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,039 Real Name: Nik Main Seven: 2005 Ibanez RG1527 w/Dima Rig: PodXTLive Thanked: 3	^Cool man, thanks for the info Just curious, though, since Atomic Amps are tube powered, doesn't that give you some tube characteristics? I mean, there's no point in going with tubes otherwise... In any case, I'd love to go to the store and crank things up, but there's no guarantee that they'd let me...

10-16-2006, 04:28 AM	#18
urklvt This is my alt Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leesville, LA Posts: 2,420 Real Name: urk Main Seven: 28.625" S7420 Main ERG: Agile Intrepid 8 Rig: Mesa Mark IV Thanked: 4 / 1	Well, they do advertise the amp as "colorless". Sure, there's a hint of added warmth and responsiveness, but that's all, just a hint. True tube feel comes from the combination of a tube preamp and a tube power amp. The reason why tube amps like Mesa and the like sound and feel so good is because there is a gain stage in the power section, not just the preamp. It's literally power amp overdrive. That's why you have to crank them to find their sweet spot. Then you have to use an attenuator to play the thing with the same tone at bedroom levels. I am a tube purist, but the power section of the Atomic operates more like a classic hi-fi amp. Yes, it is a tube power amp, but it offers nothing more than clean power which you could get from any other type of amp. Also, I think it was completely asinine of them to design a 212 50 watt version and make it MONO! How fucking stupid is that??? All of the modelers are stereo. How much effort would it have taken to put 2 of the 18 watt power sections in that 212 and call it a day? DAMN! They lost my business for good with that stupid move, so if you really want an Atomic, mine will be available very soon.

10-16-2006, 01:26 PM	#19
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,039 Real Name: Nik Main Seven: 2005 Ibanez RG1527 w/Dima Rig: PodXTLive Thanked: 3	Hmm, well it's something I'll look into. In any case, the next I buy will probably be a 100W half-stack, so unless Atomic Amps release a 100W cab designed for Pods, I probably won't buy from them. Oh, and it better be stereo lol.

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