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Unread 09-10-2006, 05:54 PM   #76
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Unread 09-10-2006, 06:01 PM   #77
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I love how stubborn anti-drug people can be, jeez, just light up a J and chill.:P

No one has ever died from Marijuana, tons have died from Ciggarettes and Alcohol, and those are facts. I don't care how many websites will say it is more "unhealthy" to smoke, if no one has died, how can that be more unhealthy than ciggarettes?

And if you guys think cooking it will get you less stoned than smoking it, than you must be cooking it wrong. Do you just throw it in there? Or do you first cook some Cannabutter, and then cook your food using the cannabutter? Because that's the way to get all the THC absorbed into the food.

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I also agree that legalizing Marijuana, would stop SO MANY of the teenagers from using it, because most of them are using it to rebel, and same with ciggarettes.
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Unread 09-11-2006, 03:09 AM   #78
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And if you guys think cooking it will get you less stoned than smoking it, than you must be cooking it wrong.
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Unread 09-11-2006, 03:56 AM   #79
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My uncle never had any symptoms or withdrawals after quitting either. I asked him "You just quit cold turkey? Wasn't it hard?" and he said something like "Nah, not really. There was the habit thing. For over 10 years, I would just smoke a cigarette when I wanted. But it wasn't difficult or painful to quit." I have known people who have had trouble quitting pot, though. Granted, they smoked quite a bit, which probably had a bigger effect on their bodies.

well, thats the thing. i smoke cigars, occaisionally. to get addicted to smoking cigarettes and cigars and shit, you need to really crank down on a pack or two of cigs a day, and whatever the cigar equivalent is. Last time i had a cigar (granted it was a minature one) was about a month ago.. before that? About a year. By that standard, im not really a smoker. BUT the point stands. I have a couple of friends who are my age who are pack-a-dayers. they CANT not smoke, they try. and they cant. My ex was pretty much the marijuana equivalent of a pack a day or more smoker. and when she quit, she told me the only side effect was she didnt know what to do with her time anymore lol

I dunno, i dont smoke marijuana (Granted, i've TRIED it a couple of times ) But im by no means an authority on it. I just dont personally get the big deal -- i'm with you on it, i'd rather spend my money on something else. BUT i still agree with those who say it isnt physically addictive. Mentally? sure. Gambling isnt physically addictive - you dont get gambling withdrawls, but there's plenty of horror stories from that. I'm just saying as long as you got some will power, you cant get addicted.
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I dunno, i dont smoke marijuana (Granted, i've TRIED it a couple of times ) But im by no means an authority on it. I just dont personally get the big deal -- i'm with you on it, i'd rather spend my money on something else. BUT i still agree with those who say it isnt physically addictive. Mentally? sure. Gambling isnt physically addictive - you dont get gambling withdrawls, but there's plenty of horror stories from that. I'm just saying as long as you got some will power, you cant get addicted.
Yeah, I don't smoke it either (but I have tried it a few times). I don't really think it's usually a big deal. The main danger in smoking marijuana, I think, is getting caught and having to spend money and time dealing with that (and maybe getting it put on your record. I had a friend in high school get in HUGE trouble for smoking pot beyond a McDonald's at 3am one day. He had a parol officer for like 4-6 months after that). The reason I don't smoke it is: a) I don't want to get caught. If I get caught in the US, I have some trouble. If I get caught in Japan, it's about 100x worse. They have zero tolerance for any drugs. b) I have better things to spend my money on (and don't someone say "What? ALCOHOL?" I only drink about once a week, sometimes once every two weeks). I've never said "You are so wrong and evil for doing that!" I have more of an opinion of "I think it's a waste of time and money."

I'm not going to argue whether marijuana is physically addictive or not, but I know for a fact that it's a very "addictive" drug. I agree that if you have some will power, you can't get addicted. But, I think if you have willpower for cigarettes, you can avoid getting addicted, as well. That's why so many people can quit cold turkey.
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Unread 09-11-2006, 04:22 AM   #81
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Yeah, I don't smoke it either (but I have tried it a few times). I don't really think it's usually a big deal. The main danger in smoking marijuana, I think, is getting caught and having to spend money and time dealing with that (and maybe getting it put on your record. I had a friend in high school get in HUGE trouble for smoking pot beyond a McDonald's at 3am one day. He had a parol officer for like 4-6 months after that). The reason I don't smoke it is: a) I don't want to get caught. If I get caught in the US, I have some trouble. If I get caught in Japan, it's about 100x worse. They have zero tolerance for any drugs. b) I have better things to spend my money on (and don't someone say "What? ALCOHOL?" I only drink about once a week, sometimes once every two weeks). I've never said "You are so wrong and evil for doing that!" I have more of an opinion of "I think it's a waste of time and money."

I'm not going to argue whether marijuana is physically addictive or not, but I know for a fact that it's a very "addictive" drug. I agree that if you have some will power, you can't get addicted. But, I think if you have willpower for cigarettes, you can avoid getting addicted, as well. That's why so many people can quit cold turkey.
Totally, dude. The risks arent worth the benefits, IMO. And i'd rather spend that money on CDs, books, or guitar related things. i'm the same way with beer. the last time i even bought any alcohol was over a month ago.

Back to the topic at hand though - All i'm arguing is that Marijuana can only create a psychological addiction, not a physical one.
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The whole thing never really interested me. I've been around poeple who have done it a number of times and they just became goofier human beings than they normally were..........no big deal, no fire works, no candy.

It just didn't appeal to me. I never judged people who did it and I never thought less of them. Not to mention I found observing said individuals say and do some retarded stuff so it provided me with quite the the heap of "hey remember that time" material because I'm the only one that remembers it.

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And, David, you are wrong. You can. GET. physically. addicted. to. marijuana. Do. you. understand? It's not a lie. Get your facts straight and stop talking like what you're saying are facts. You don't have access to some special information that no one else has.
You must get your special information from the US government, because it is NOT physically addicting. Psychologically addicting? You bet.

He is also right about it helping with asthma, emphysema, etc. However, he is wrong about the method. Smoking it still exposes you to tar and carcinogenic gases that are a biproduct of combustion. Vaporization is the proper method. C'mon, David, you don't burn asthma medication and smoke it, do you?

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I'm referring mainly to "mental", but I consider "mental" to be "physical" since your mind is a part of your body as well. It's been proven that the chemicals in marijuana affect parts of your brain that lead to addiction. So, I would say "both."
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ha ha ha.... i think thats more so shrooms

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You must get your special information from the US government, because it is NOT physically addicting. Psychologically addicting? You bet.

He is also right about it helping with asthma, emphysema, etc. However, he is wrong about the method. Smoking it still exposes you to tar and carcinogenic gases that are a biproduct of combustion. Vaporization is the proper method. C'mon, David, you don't burn asthma medication and smoke it, do you?



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you know Noodles, smoking does stunt your growth.... I guess thats why we're both short...
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you guys must be gettin some really good stuff. i'm still 6'4"

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you know Noodles, smoking does stunt your growth.... I guess thats why we're both short...
If that's the case, then I ought to be about 3'11" right now.

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Let's just say my contacts are very productive

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.... shrooms! that shit messes you up so bad... and for waaay too long.

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Just to be pedantic surrounding the use of the term addiction earlier in the thread. Drugs are not physically addictive EVER. Nothing is. Addiction is defined by either a physiological and/or psychological need or desire. Physical is not physiological, habitual or compulsive and is therefore an incorrect way of referring to the term addiction.

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Just to be pedantic surrounding the use of the term addiction earlier in the thread. Drugs are not physically addictive EVER. Nothing is. Addiction is defined by either a physiological and/or psychological need or desire. Physical is not physiological, habitual or compulsive and is therefore an incorrect way of referring to the term addiction.

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.... shrooms! that shit messes you up so bad... and for waaay too long.
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tell you what, lets get you on some heroin and come back to that discussion afterwards ;D
also stage 3 alcoholics can go into a state where they NEED alcohol to keep them alive. either way, its not very pretty at all.

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That is still not Physical addiction. Psychology, Pharmacology, and clinical studies have gone a long way to prove that addiction is defined in all cases by molecular, physiological, and psychological causes. The physical desire aspect is an after effect and is not considered to be part of the aetiology.
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It's so true! Everyone has their own crazy story. I completely flipped out and had a mental breakdown.
Gee, and I just kept serving beer to the police!

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It's so true! Everyone has their own crazy story. I completely flipped out and had a mental breakdown.
I had a friend that was using shrooms for the first time we were chilling in his room with a blacklight. and he could of sworn there was a little green dude about 2-3 inches chilling on my shoulder with his bong and the little dude looked at him and say damn you are one ....ed up ............. My friend was like
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