Spain (song) rules man

Luan · 02-02-2008, 05:49 PM

I'm working on it, what a great song!
It is somewhat easy to follow the changes, just need some work.
What scales do you use for the C#7, the F#7 and the B7?
For the F#7 I noticed that dominant phrygian sounds really good for the song idea.
Any good version to check?
Thanks!

NickCormier · 02-02-2008, 05:57 PM

Im not great at choosing scales for improvising but uhh.. The "theory" approach would be.. Using Mixo modes on the dominant chords (C#7, etc).. But really, im sure you could use anything as long as you have resolve to the tonal centers.

Phrygian dominant sounds good over almost anything ;o

Luan · 02-02-2008, 06:00 PM

I know that, but straight mixo over that chords sound a little lame, maybe on 2 sounds good, will have to try and see (or hear?)

NickCormier · 02-02-2008, 06:07 PM

well.. hmm. I forget the changes..

Again, without picking up my guitar and trying, Dorian might sound best, as it has the b3 and b7, but still has the natural 6, meaning it has alot of similar context to a straight mixo, but with that minor 3rd feel in it.

Luan · 02-02-2008, 06:08 PM

Never heard of that!
Dorian over dominant chord? is that legal?

NickCormier · 02-02-2008, 06:20 PM

well in theory, there will be a conflict of major 3rd in the chord, vs minor 3rd in the scale, but you can take advantage of that to make it sound more "interesting" as long as you dont land on the minor 3rd abit too often

as with any chromatic note though.. just dont sit on it lol But im assuming a Dorian run wouldnt sound bad over Dom chords, as everything is the same except that minor 3rd.

Leec · 02-02-2008, 09:29 PM

Which version have you been checking out? There are almost hundreds of versions of it. I think Chick might play it with almost everyone he plays with.
It's such a good piece. Check out the mad version with Rubalcaba, some absolutely insane improv in that.

OzzyC · 02-02-2008, 09:51 PM

Awesome song- I played a rendition of it in the Jazz Band my second year of middle school.

Trespass · 02-02-2008, 11:57 PM

Version with Di Meola and Birelli and Coryell is amazing. So is Stochello Rosenburgs.

Luan · 02-03-2008, 12:04 PM

Mclaughlin and Paco de Lucia version is very cool.

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02-02-2008, 05:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 440 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 14	Spain (song) rules man I'm working on it, what a great song! It is somewhat easy to follow the changes, just need some work. What scales do you use for the C#7, the F#7 and the B7? For the F#7 I noticed that dominant phrygian sounds really good for the song idea. Any good version to check? Thanks!

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Leec Woopah! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 895 Real Name: Lee Main Seven: RG2027 Rig: JMP-1, G-Major, EL34 Thanked: 33	Which version have you been checking out? There are almost hundreds of versions of it. I think Chick might play it with almost everyone he plays with. It's such a good piece. Check out the mad version with Rubalcaba, some absolutely insane improv in that. "You might as well be suckin' Wes Borland's no-talent dick if you play with any more than six strings on your fucking guitar." - A Blabbermouth genius

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OzzyC :ubersquint: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 3,327 Real Name: AntonioPetrucci Main Seven: RG1527RB Main ERG: I can has ERG? Rig: GNX3000 Thanked: 16	Awesome song- I played a rendition of it in the Jazz Band my second year of middle school. You've got your head down You've got your eyes closed You look so pitiful now Your body encrusted with ash Breath heavy with toxins Hair singed and matted Clothes frayed and burnt You are left with nothing

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Trespass Invading Your 7s Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 1,286 Real Name: Kris Rig: Mesa Stilletto Stack Thanked: 88	Version with Di Meola and Birelli and Coryell is amazing. So is Stochello Rosenburgs. Pseudo-Jazz Sophisticate -The 7 and ERG Chord Melody [Jazz] Thread-

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02-02-2008, 05:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
NickCormier Canada >>> You Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1 Posts: 2,158 Thanked: 21	Im not great at choosing scales for improvising but uhh.. The "theory" approach would be.. Using Mixo modes on the dominant chords (C#7, etc).. But really, im sure you could use anything as long as you have resolve to the tonal centers. Phrygian dominant sounds good over almost anything ;o

02-02-2008, 06:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 440 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 14	I know that, but straight mixo over that chords sound a little lame, maybe on 2 sounds good, will have to try and see (or hear?)

02-02-2008, 06:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
NickCormier Canada >>> You Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1 Posts: 2,158 Thanked: 21	well.. hmm. I forget the changes.. Again, without picking up my guitar and trying, Dorian might sound best, as it has the b3 and b7, but still has the natural 6, meaning it has alot of similar context to a straight mixo, but with that minor 3rd feel in it.

02-02-2008, 06:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 440 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 14	Never heard of that! Dorian over dominant chord? is that legal?

02-02-2008, 06:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
NickCormier Canada >>> You Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1 Posts: 2,158 Thanked: 21	well in theory, there will be a conflict of major 3rd in the chord, vs minor 3rd in the scale, but you can take advantage of that to make it sound more "interesting" as long as you dont land on the minor 3rd abit too often as with any chromatic note though.. just dont sit on it lol But im assuming a Dorian run wouldnt sound bad over Dom chords, as everything is the same except that minor 3rd.

02-03-2008, 12:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
Luan ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 440 Real Name: Luan Main Seven: Ibanez rg1527 Thanked: 14	Mclaughlin and Paco de Lucia version is very cool.

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