Sakeido's World Music Moment - intense tabla and sitar shredding

jacksonplayer · 10-03-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Durero

I think you have to be quite a bit more specific about where the simplicity & complexity lie. I think you're absolutely right that in terms of the sheer detail in both melody & rhythm Indian classical music makes Western European classical music sound very simplistic - like comparing a fine engraving to something made with those huge lego duplo blocks.

But the situation is reversed when you compare the elements of harmony and orchestration, which are developed to immense complexity and sophistication in Western music, and hardly at all in Indian music.

Yeah, I think that's the crux of the matter, right there.

BTW, thanks for the post, Sakeido. You can really see why so many jazz players have been attracted to Indian classical music over the years.

Does anyone know if there is something akin to rock music in India? I know they produce lots of crappy dance pop music for all of those Bollywood productions, but that's certainly not what I'm thinking of. I imagine that musicians reared in that culture could do some interesting things in the rock or metal context.

sakeido · 10-03-2007, 01:40 PM

We never got into Indian rock music. I know there is a scene over there, I read about it not long ago, but couldn't name a single band from it. I'm working on finding a good middle Eastern video for the next world music moment right now.

Durero · 10-03-2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakeido

I'm working on finding a good middle Eastern video for the next world music moment right now.

Awesome man, looking forward to it.

Kotex · 03-28-2008, 04:54 AM

Check it

awesomeargos · 04-04-2008, 10:12 AM

Sitar is cool in the way that the 6 string guitar is but as we are seven stringers I suggest you check out the Vina for some truly exponential mind expansion the Vina is the King of classical Indian musical instruments and was fashioned to imitate the sounds produced by the voices of the Gods that walked the earth at the dawn of time. Balishander (if i spell that right i am surprised but it should be close enough for you to find) has made some recordings that I have in my collection i used to play -exact copy-some of his 'easier' stuff on my extra slinky six string back when i was practicing 12 hours a day.The full metal no fret neck of the sarode is worth checking out as well, but the Vina is truly King.

stubhead · 04-04-2008, 03:42 PM

Hammered dulcimer, huh? You probably mean white folks? This guy Tarun Bhattacharya kicks major ass:

He has a lot of CD's out, but the two I love are "Kirvani", a harmonic minor raga in D, and "Transcendence", Raga Kalavati in A mixolydian (major boogie scale).

khazana.com is a killer source for Indian music, way too many CD's - you have to filter or you'll go broke. The "father" of the Indian dulcimer is Shiv Kumar Sharma, he's played with McLaughlin on a few "Remember Shakti" CD's but not the best of them.

Do a YouTube search for "santur" and "santoor" and shit'll start popping everywhere. I love the juicy incarnation of Remember Shakti, with that speedy guy U. Shrivinas playing the solidbody electric six-string mandolin:

Uh-oh, here's that song again!

"vicioustruth" has downloaded the entire Crossroads 2007 festival, including the good stuff from McLaughlin & Beck that didn't make the DVD. "bazonics" has a bunch of Shakti up, "La Danse Du Bonheur" from both Shakti (1977) and Remember Shakti (2000) are fucking extraordinary.

SugarMegs Streaming Server has three Shakti concerts up, "JohnMcLaughlin2000-10-15", "JohnMcLaughlin2001-07-06", and "JohnMcLaughlinAndShakti1977-04-10".

ren · 04-09-2008, 01:44 PM

guitar prasanna any one?
i bloody love indian music but most of the stuff i can get my hands on is more traditional music of northen india cept this guy

his stuff is so bloody melodic and the use of more southern(i think) indian styles on guitar doing bebop and other jazz what nots. carnatic music i think its called.

this is one guy to check out! i espcially like the stuff from be the change with wooten.

also another great band to check out is laco tayfa, some turkish jazz group. any one got any recommendations on good turkish music? classical or folk or
anyone with really nice melodic tunes to suggest? maybe some slow sarode pieces and stuff that i can try on fretless?

Ancestor · 04-11-2008, 06:57 AM

Purty dang good. Dude is all over the neck, isn't he? Their meter is so nice and even. Very cool.

10-03-2007, 01:40 PM	#22
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03-28-2008, 04:54 AM	#24
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04-04-2008, 03:42 PM	#26
stubhead Feral Buddha Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: MD Eastern Shore Posts: 367 Main Seven: Warmoth flat 7 Rig: Marshall, Boogie Thanked: 11	Hammered dulcimer, huh? You probably mean white folks? This guy Tarun Bhattacharya kicks major ass: He has a lot of CD's out, but the two I love are "Kirvani", a harmonic minor raga in D, and "Transcendence", Raga Kalavati in A mixolydian (major boogie scale). khazana.com is a killer source for Indian music, way too many CD's - you have to filter or you'll go broke. The "father" of the Indian dulcimer is Shiv Kumar Sharma, he's played with McLaughlin on a few "Remember Shakti" CD's but not the best of them. Do a YouTube search for "santur" and "santoor" and shit'll start popping everywhere. I love the juicy incarnation of Remember Shakti, with that speedy guy U. Shrivinas playing the solidbody electric six-string mandolin: Uh-oh, here's that song again! "vicioustruth" has downloaded the entire Crossroads 2007 festival, including the good stuff from McLaughlin & Beck that didn't make the DVD. "bazonics" has a bunch of Shakti up, "La Danse Du Bonheur" from both Shakti (1977) and Remember Shakti (2000) are fucking extraordinary. SugarMegs Streaming Server has three Shakti concerts up, "JohnMcLaughlin2000-10-15", "JohnMcLaughlin2001-07-06", and "JohnMcLaughlinAndShakti1977-04-10". "I was not ever interested in the music of boys. From my youngest years, I was interested in the music of men." - Eric Clapton

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04-04-2008, 10:12 AM	#25
awesomeargos 37 years on ax Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Redwood Valley Ca. Posts: 20 Real Name: Jason Main Seven: Ibanez AAF207 Rig: Two Polytones+GEP50 Thanked: 7 / 1	Sitar is cool in the way that the 6 string guitar is but as we are seven stringers I suggest you check out the Vina for some truly exponential mind expansion the Vina is the King of classical Indian musical instruments and was fashioned to imitate the sounds produced by the voices of the Gods that walked the earth at the dawn of time. Balishander (if i spell that right i am surprised but it should be close enough for you to find) has made some recordings that I have in my collection i used to play -exact copy-some of his 'easier' stuff on my extra slinky six string back when i was practicing 12 hours a day.The full metal no fret neck of the sarode is worth checking out as well, but the Vina is truly King.

04-09-2008, 01:44 PM	#27
ren ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4 Thanked: 4 / 1	guitar prasanna any one? i bloody love indian music but most of the stuff i can get my hands on is more traditional music of northen india cept this guy his stuff is so bloody melodic and the use of more southern(i think) indian styles on guitar doing bebop and other jazz what nots. carnatic music i think its called. this is one guy to check out! i espcially like the stuff from be the change with wooten. also another great band to check out is laco tayfa, some turkish jazz group. any one got any recommendations on good turkish music? classical or folk or anyone with really nice melodic tunes to suggest? maybe some slow sarode pieces and stuff that i can try on fretless?

04-11-2008, 06:57 AM	#28
Ancestor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,187 Main Seven: Schecter A-7 Thanked: 31 $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Ancestor is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Purty dang good. Dude is all over the neck, isn't he? Their meter is so nice and even. Very cool.


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