I got Completely Owned!

Battousai · 08-28-2007, 07:28 AM

so i was trying this preamp a guy was selling.. and hes a year younger than me.. he let me play.. i play the usual arpeggiated solos and scale runs etc...

then he says he liked my esp.. so ilet him try it out..

JESSSSUUUUUS!! this guys completely fuckin owned me on the guitar and made me feel like a freaking beginner.. he was just jamming along playing jazz chords then went on to play some amazingly technical leads that put my skills to shit...

so i asked him how did you get that good... and he said he started to learn loads of jazz theory and chords etc.. and then when put in practice you get used to know every note on the neck and scales etc..

so to end this boring thread.. what books or websites do you guys recommend for me to start learning jazz theory ?

Cyanide_Anima · 08-28-2007, 07:43 AM

yeah, it happens. rofl. like when our second guitarist joined our band, and i saw him rip away some holdsworth style leads that just blew my miniscule mind away. then i got holdsworth's instructional video. now, over a year later, i can hold my own with him, hehehe.

Mikey D · 08-28-2007, 11:30 AM

For soloing:
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene

Single Note Soloing 1 & 2, both can be picked up on eBay fairly cheap on occasion.

For chords:
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Ted Greene
Chord Chemistry

There are of course others, but not many are anywhere near as good as his books. Worth it for the front cover photos alons!

Battousai · 08-28-2007, 06:59 PM

thats the same book that guy had! im totally getting it !

CoachZ · 08-28-2007, 11:33 PM

I've decided recently over a nice talk with a jazz drummer friend of mine about a few aspects of certain music and I feel as well as I should take up jazz since it makes you think different about playing from what I've seen. I've hit a plateau, I've been playing for a fairly short time in comparison to many people but I cannot progress and have several flaws, yet I am intrigued by jazz theory and playing. Do you know of anywhere else to start?

To the original poster, sorry about the thread jack but it's fairly on topic. Heh.

JBroll · 08-28-2007, 11:39 PM

Mick Goodrick - The Advancing Guitarist.

Jeff

distressed_romeo · 08-29-2007, 10:24 AM

+10000 for Mick Goodrick and Ted Greene. Also, try REH's 'Jazz-rock solos for guitar' book, as that's a great introduction to jazz and fusion soloing for someone who comes from a rock/metal background, and has some pretty decent backing tracks included.

Incidentally, Vic Juris is writing a very informative jazz column in Guitar World right now. You might wanna check that out.

MetalSir · 08-29-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battousai

(..)then he says he liked my esp.. so ilet him try it out.. (..)

JESSSSUUUUUS!! this guys completely fuckin owned me on the guitar and made me feel like a freaking beginner.. he was just jamming along playing jazz chords then went on to play some amazingly technical leads that put my skills to shit...

i remember when i was a little young bastard and i made psychological terrorism on my same aged guy .. this is was my preferred hobby! LOL.. me bastard..

ps: for soloing i find interesting some viveos of joey tafolla.. is fusion.. but he has a cool scale concept and soloing too.. =) you can find a REH video..

distressed_romeo · 08-29-2007, 11:54 AM

Joey's great, but I don't think he's one to study if you're interested in jazz, as his thing is more rock-fusion based.

A thought; if you really want to get into jazz, one of the best things you can do is get a fakebook and start learning some tunes. Start off just learning the melodies and chords, then you can experiment with chord-melody and adding basslines to them, as well as playing over the changes. It's also great practice to pick up licks from other musicians (by ear ideally. NO TAB!!!!), even if you don't immediately understand the theory behind what they're doing.

MetalSir · 08-29-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

Joey's great, but I don't think he's one to study if you're interested in jazz, as his thing is more rock-fusion based.

yes.. =) infact i said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetalSir

ps: for soloing i find interesting some viveos of joey tafolla.. is fusion.. but he has a cool scale concept and soloing too.. =) you can find a REH video..

=) eheh..

08-28-2007, 07:28 AM	#1
Battousai Proud SSorg member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 904 Real Name: Fatass Main Seven: Sii7(on the way) Rig: Invader100+1960A Cab Thanked: 17	I got Completely Owned! so i was trying this preamp a guy was selling.. and hes a year younger than me.. he let me play.. i play the usual arpeggiated solos and scale runs etc... then he says he liked my esp.. so ilet him try it out.. JESSSSUUUUUS!! this guys completely fuckin owned me on the guitar and made me feel like a freaking beginner.. he was just jamming along playing jazz chords then went on to play some amazingly technical leads that put my skills to shit... so i asked him how did you get that good... and he said he started to learn loads of jazz theory and chords etc.. and then when put in practice you get used to know every note on the neck and scales etc.. so to end this boring thread.. what books or websites do you guys recommend for me to start learning jazz theory ? The Struggle to free Myself from Restraints, becomes my very shackles...

08-28-2007, 11:30 AM	#3
Mikey D ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 85 Thanked: 4	For soloing: Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Single Note Soloing 1 & 2, both can be picked up on eBay fairly cheap on occasion. For chords: Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Ted Greene Chord Chemistry There are of course others, but not many are anywhere near as good as his books. Worth it for the front cover photos alons! My Blog devoted to the 8 string. FREE transcriptions and arrangements

08-29-2007, 10:24 AM	#7
distressed_romeo Bringin' UR Kaos! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albion Posts: 9,567 Real Name: I have many... Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser Main ERG: Aria bass tuned in fifths Rig: POD v2.0 Thanked: 200	+10000 for Mick Goodrick and Ted Greene. Also, try REH's 'Jazz-rock solos for guitar' book, as that's a great introduction to jazz and fusion soloing for someone who comes from a rock/metal background, and has some pretty decent backing tracks included. Incidentally, Vic Juris is writing a very informative jazz column in Guitar World right now. You might wanna check that out. Nothing like a good depressant to chase the blues away! www.soundclick.com/distressed_romeo http://farsideguitars.blogspot.com/

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08-28-2007, 07:43 AM	#2
Cyanide_Anima no, not enema... Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Everrot, Washington Posts: 376 Main Seven: Hellraiser Rig: Podxt, BBE Thanked: 19	yeah, it happens. rofl. like when our second guitarist joined our band, and i saw him rip away some holdsworth style leads that just blew my miniscule mind away. then i got holdsworth's instructional video. now, over a year later, i can hold my own with him, hehehe.

08-28-2007, 06:59 PM	#4
Battousai Proud SSorg member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Malta Posts: 904 Real Name: Fatass Main Seven: Sii7(on the way) Rig: Invader100+1960A Cab Thanked: 17	thats the same book that guy had! im totally getting it !

08-28-2007, 11:33 PM	#5
CoachZ Needs guitar skills Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Great White North Posts: 215 Main Seven: None yet Rig: Cube Thanked: 0	I've decided recently over a nice talk with a jazz drummer friend of mine about a few aspects of certain music and I feel as well as I should take up jazz since it makes you think different about playing from what I've seen. I've hit a plateau, I've been playing for a fairly short time in comparison to many people but I cannot progress and have several flaws, yet I am intrigued by jazz theory and playing. Do you know of anywhere else to start? To the original poster, sorry about the thread jack but it's fairly on topic. Heh.

08-28-2007, 11:39 PM	#6
JBroll Hard-On For Freedom Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX, USA Posts: 2,608 Thanked: 18	Mick Goodrick - The Advancing Guitarist. Jeff

08-29-2007, 11:54 AM	#9
distressed_romeo Bringin' UR Kaos! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albion Posts: 9,567 Real Name: I have many... Main Seven: C7 Hellraiser Main ERG: Aria bass tuned in fifths Rig: POD v2.0 Thanked: 200	Joey's great, but I don't think he's one to study if you're interested in jazz, as his thing is more rock-fusion based. A thought; if you really want to get into jazz, one of the best things you can do is get a fakebook and start learning some tunes. Start off just learning the melodies and chords, then you can experiment with chord-melody and adding basslines to them, as well as playing over the changes. It's also great practice to pick up licks from other musicians (by ear ideally. NO TAB!!!!), even if you don't immediately understand the theory behind what they're doing.


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